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One large organ - 2 consoles

Postby engrssc » Sat Oct 06, 2018 2:25 am

So as not to derail this current topic/thread (posting) -

http://forum.hauptwerk.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=17108#p128455

but based on Les' very interesting comment -

I played a concert once in a church in the San Francisco Bay Area that had two Rodgers organs - one in the chancel and one in the rear gallery - configured in this way. It worked pretty well. I could play the gallery organ from the chancel console and get each effects from the two speaker systems.

I started a new topic which is a 'Theme and Variation' on this, that being the 2 consoles of the Crystal Cathedral - Garden City, California (now the Christ Cathedral) both playing the huge single Hazel Wright organ:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FOfdjxNn5s&index=6&list=RDMXZAg0VIgbI.

And then again a variation on the Hazel Wright organ - 2 organists playing (as a duet) on the same console:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SV6q9MkYhcA .

This Hazel Wright organ is actually a combination (joined together) of 2 separate organs envisioned by Virgil Fox. An E M Skinner instrument

https://pipeorgandatabase.org/OrganDetails.php?OrganID=34727

and a Ruffatti instrument.

https://youtu.be/tI2o7xLoh8g?list=RDMXZAg0VIgbI&t=418

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDamVrrnAko

As a general discussion topic, it has. in the past. been a topic here of playing 2 sample set organs from the same console using 2 computers with 2 Hauptwerk software licenses and each computer 'playing' a separate sample set. I have tried this using my extra H/W license, etc. For control of each organ I set up 2 touch screens,,,,,, So it is doable, but after doing it once, decided to go back to a more conventional single organ setup. But if you had 2 separated audio systems, I could envision some pretty neat, interesting effects. (I sometimes do things just to see if it can be done). :roll:

I think I remember member (late) Leo Chris (Chris 037) doing this double organ thing in his setup as well.

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Re: One large organ - 2 consoles

Postby engrssc » Sat Oct 06, 2018 3:15 am

Many, many recordings of the Hazel Wright organ, of course. I found some interesting more recent comments by Frederick Swann during an interview with Dr Carol Williams discussing this organ:

https://youtu.be/wkWm-PY9GHM?t=449

Thought it interesting that this huge organ has been augmented with digital (making it a hybrid).

(Unfortunately, lots of annoying ads) :mrgreen: and, yes, I know the ads pay for these videos. :wink:

Restoration:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJediCsuV1E

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Re: One large organ - 2 consoles

Postby seh52 » Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:21 am

I'm eagerly awaiting the return of the Hazel Wright organ to Christ Cathedral!

Too bad CLR Resources no longer sells the HW version of the Great Organs of FCCLA. The original pipe organ has 2 consoles and is even larger and more diverse than the Hazel Wright organ.

Organists may still play the HW version of the FCCLA organ on my 3 manual console using one touchscreen. With multiple 64' and 32' stops, this organ really shakes my house!
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Re: One large organ - 2 consoles

Postby engrssc » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:49 am

seh52 wrote:I'm eagerly awaiting the return of the Hazel Wright organ to Christ Cathedral!


https://youtu.be/XIlzpESQ0Zk?t=1145

https://youtu.be/BbGQqQ7YW3I?t=4

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Re: One large organ - 2 consoles

Postby engrssc » Sat Oct 06, 2018 2:55 pm

Dedication for the Christ Cathedral is scheduled for Feb 17, 2019. Lots of dedicated work yet to be done.

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Re: One large organ - 2 consoles

Postby GrahamH » Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:54 am

Speaking of organs with two consoles - it's not unusual these days to find a concert hall organ with an en-fenêtre tracker console and a detached movable console - but how about this one:
http://www.npor.org.uk/NPORView.html?RI=N11620 and
http://www.npor.org.uk/NPORView.html?RI=N18285
- Southampton Guildhall organ which has a classical (concert) console on the right hand side of the stage, and a theatre organ console on the left hand side.
If you Google Southampton Guildhall you will find photos, but I haven't posted a link because my browser has suddenly got "picky" and says that some of the websites are "not secure".
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Re: One large organ - 2 consoles

Postby ldeutsch » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:53 pm

Some clarification is in order ...

I am very familiar with the FCCLA organ. It is one of many examples of a pipe organ with multiple consoles - with each console controlling the entire organ. I have also performed at Walt Disney Concert Hall here in LA, which is another example. In these cases, both consoles have the same set of stops and control the entire organ - albeit from different positions in the room. In the case of Disney Hall, one console has tracker action and other is completely electric.

These configurations are relatively common.

So are configurations where there are multiple organs with their own consoles and a master console that controls everything. I have played organs in Europe that are built this way and seen many others. In this case, the master console contains the union of all the stops from the "sub organs" so everything can be controlled precisely by the organist.

There were also many examples of "master-slave" consoles - at least as of 75 years ago. In this case, the master console controls everything, but the slave has only a combination action that duplicates the pistons on the master console. These were usually designed for organ duets, with an organist at each console. Either organist could press a piston to change the registration but only the organist at the master console could control individual stops.

What Rodgers did is quite different from any of these. Rodgers allows one console to play the organ in the second console even though the sets of stops may be quite different on the two. This is accomplished by having an internal algorithm that receives the stop on/off status from the "master" console (which is contained in each stop or coupler MIDI message - for the entire organ) and automatically choosing sets of stops on the slave console that are similar.

I have not seen this kind of system implemented on any pipe organ - or any other brand of digital organ for that matter.
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Re: One large organ - 2 consoles

Postby engrssc » Mon Oct 08, 2018 6:14 pm

Looking at doing two consoles with the AVB setup. We have a master which connects up to 5 CAT 5 cables. We can configure each to control anything in the system.

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Re: One large organ - 2 consoles

Postby 1961TC4ME » Mon Oct 08, 2018 7:06 pm

https://youtu.be/fJMJvFxYm98

The arrangement here is long standing, but shown is after the $3+ million overhaul. Not only 2 identical consoles, but organs in stereo too. :D

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