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Touch screen monitor question.

Postby kiaya611 » Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:46 pm

I was wondering if there seems to be an optimum touch screen monitor size that most people prefer? I am planning on 2 (right and left jambs). They are basically temporary, but will be used multiple times, so it isn't a waste of money. What is a good resolution for use with Hauptwerk? I appreciate you input on this as I have thought about it from different points of view, but I just am not sure, and I really only want to buy 2 that I can re-use during the building of organs. Best wishes, Steven
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Re: Touch screen monitor question.

Postby organtechnology » Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:08 pm

kiaya611 wrote:I was wondering if there seems to be an optimum touch screen monitor size that most people prefer? I am planning on 2 (right and left jambs). They are basically temporary, but will be used multiple times, so it isn't a waste of money. What is a good resolution for use with Hauptwerk? I appreciate you input on this as I have thought about it from different points of view, but I just am not sure, and I really only want to buy 2 that I can re-use during the building of organs. Best wishes, Steven


Hi,

In ressurecting dead organ consoles, the 17" touch screen mounted vertically fits best in the place where the old stop jambs were. See the web page in my signature for an example. However with a table top or open key desk console where there are not such restrictions, I have seen 23" 16:9 aspect touchscreens used in portrait mode. I am currently building a similar console and plan to use 19" 4:3 aspect touchscreens in portrait mode.
The issue is basically how much room do you have and is there a stop jamb for portrait mode in both 4:3 and 16:9 aspect ratios.

Hope that helps.

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Re: Touch screen monitor question.

Postby engrssc » Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:13 pm

Plus the "chosen" sample set's stop real estate requirements. Then there's the size of one's finger as a minor consideration. My dual 19's are ok, but just barely.esp for larger instruments. :roll:

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Re: Touch screen monitor question.

Postby kiaya611 » Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:25 am

Hi Thomas, Thank you for that information. Just so I can get an idea of size, what is the monitor size on these monitors on your site? https://organtechnology.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/133.jpg Also, you mentioned Open Source software on one of your pages, are you speaking of .? Thank you, Steven
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Re: Touch screen monitor question.

Postby kiaya611 » Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:33 am

Ed,

I truly understand that. These monitors are more for me to use during the set-up stage. In most cases, I plan to use the organ's controls when I can. Some I am building from the ground up and others are a re-purpose scenario. It really depends a lot. I try to get the organs to work as originally intended (depending on the organ), but in cases where they are too far gone for that, then using them for a HW organ works well. Some of this is going in a direction that I didn't originally plan on, so I am "creating" as I go. The larger organs will be purpose built and are in one case a copy of an existing console. Those projects, though are down the road, because on e of the sample sets has been pulled and is no longer available from the source. That would have been my largest build, but all of the controls would have been, just as they are on the real pipe organ console.

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Re: Touch screen monitor question.

Postby engrssc » Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:50 am

I guess I think more in terms of hand registering than pre-setting combinations as a general rule. Because I prefer to adjust stops as I go depending on how the music "moves" me which isn't always the same. Thought maybe that was a bit more unique until I read that's how Frederick Swann "organ-izes" his playing as well.

https://youtu.be/wkWm-PY9GHM?t=419 (may have skip ad on tis clip)

Of course I'll never come up to the level of Dr. Swann who was the organist at the former Crystal Cathedral among other positions playing that huge Hazel Wright instrument.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORI_cBBtKoc

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Re: Touch screen monitor question.

Postby kiaya611 » Fri Nov 02, 2018 5:12 am

Hi Ed,

I am more of a collector/restorer/builder than an organist, but I try to build in, depending on the size of the organ, the ability to do hand registrations as well as divisional and general presets and even add the capability of a piston sequencer. The older organists tend to stay to the divisional and general presets where the younger organists, like the sequencer. I am more accustomed to not having a sequencer and unless you have a clear designation of where you are in your sequence and very accustomed to them, they can cause major problems with registrations.

I tend to be more old-fashioned and use "tried and true" methods. Very large installations of 250-400 stops I have found, really require presets, or you tend to stay with just a partial use of the voices available. There is always the aspect of familiarity and if you are a resident organist at a large organ, you do have the time to really get to know the organ and utilize it's capabilities to the fullest, where a sub will rely mostly on a "safe" set of general presets for the most part. That is what I have seen, anyway.

Since, again I am traditionalist, I like SAMS and dual-magnetic doorknobs. For set-ups and during the process of building, I like having the touch screens, especially since HW has that aspect already built in, so you don' have to have every control complete before you can test things and even play the organ while you are setting general sound levels, etc. The final adjustments are, of course done in the organ's final location, so you can truly match it with the space.
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Re: Touch screen monitor question.

Postby mkc1 » Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:34 pm

Something like what's displayed at the bottom of the page here, perhaps?
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Re: Touch screen monitor question.

Postby kiaya611 » Fri Nov 02, 2018 5:12 pm

That is interesting, but maybe I am giving the wrong impression. I really wish I could put images into these posts...it seems as if there is a way, but the best I have been able to do is put links.... In any case, lets say that this is going to be the finished product: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1qNJjHFTZoFA8T9xE_VhhNk9RJD64Fzq3...but while building it, I want to be able to control sections to make sure they work, etc., so you could have a version where you had a stack of manuals and touch screens acting as the jambs...they would only be temporary and as I mentioned previously, they would be used more as a tool/testing device that in the finished product. There could be some instances where I do an extremely minimalistic example of a console, similar to the one you showed in the picture, but most of what I build, whether large or small, will more than likely look and operate like a church or concert console that have been pretty much the standard for centuries, although the oldest would be trackers and there are some detached consoles, like St Sulpice using a terraces design, these will all be midi operated and use HW and sample sets, although they could just as easily be hooked up to midi boards in the pipe chambers and operate an actual pipe organ...but that isn't my goal. I only have two very large examples I am building and one similar in design is like the one I linked above and the other is a theatre based almost exactly on the Wurlitzer Publix 4 4MP console that Walker made a version of in the Organ Stop Pizza with all moving tabs and other normal controls found on any theatre pipe organ of the 1920s..just virtual...instead of pipes. https://drive.google.com/open?id=1o5a60BumAzoNEf_Kl9tQAV9zYDVOmVaV Everything else will be smaller like the 3MP 76-rank console/organ that will be my first conversion of a Rodgers Console that was never sold and I bought from their auction when they downsized. https://drive.google.com/open?id=1apoa10Vn8OIKBnJYjyoV_Wd799xsPnge It presents it's own challenges as it has a great deal of wiring already done to it, but Rodgers took their proprietary boards out of it and I would like, if possible, to use what is left and just make an interface from Rodger's system to a know midi control hardware supplier. I will post on that separately though, as that will be involved. I hope that gives a better idea of my use of the touch screens. Thank you, Steven
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Re: Touch screen monitor question.

Postby RichardW » Sat Nov 03, 2018 7:08 pm

I include this to show you how much you can squeeze on to a 23" screen. The MDA Salisbury just fits.

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Re: Touch screen monitor question.

Postby telemanr » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:04 pm

I have exactly the same two screens in portrait mode with Salisbury and Haverhill etc.. I’m too lazy to swivel them to landscape with sets that display horizontally. I just put up with lack of width.
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Re: Touch screen monitor question.

Postby kiaya611 » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:48 pm

Thank you Richard, That gives me a good idea. It there any trick to using them portrait?...or do you have to get monitors that have that feature?
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Re: Touch screen monitor question.

Postby engrssc » Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:02 am

RichardW wrote:I include this to show you how much you can squeeze on to a 23" screen,


What do you use in place of thumb pistons or am I missing something?

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Re: Touch screen monitor question.

Postby chr.schmitz » Sun Nov 04, 2018 6:53 am

It there any trick to using them portrait?...or do you have to get monitors that have that feature?


All current operating systems (macOS 10.x and Windows 10) support monitors in portrait mode. Windows 10 supports also touch screens out of the box, macOS requires third-party drivers if you attach more than one monitor.

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Re: Touch screen monitor question.

Postby organtechnology » Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:57 am

kiaya611 wrote:Hi Thomas, Thank you for that information. Just so I can get an idea of size, what is the monitor size on these monitors on your site? https://organtechnology.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/133.jpg Also, you mentioned Open Source software on one of your pages, are you speaking of .? Thank you, Steven


They are 17" Tyco/Keytec touchscreen monitors.

I was not talking about open source software but that the VPO system itself is sourced from various manufacturers standard products and thus easier to maintain. At least I hope I was :D

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