Live recorded demos - South Suffolk Organ (Lavender Audio)

[Gamba]

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It's an experiment to play baroque music on a romantic organ! I like it.

J. L. Krebs - Ach Herr, mich armen Sünder

J. L. Krebs - 1. Praeludium in F

J. L. Krebs - 2. Praeludium in F

J. L. Krebs - 3. Praeludium in C

J. L. Krebs - 4. Praeludium in C

Enjoy!

Best regards, Matthias

[adri]

It's an experiment to play baroque music on a romantic organ! I like it.

An experiment it is indeed, but personnally I am not as convinced as you are, especially since I am so used to hearing his music played on real Baroque organs.

Try some Cesar Franck instead! With a little reverb, this organ will come totally alive with pieces from e.g. l'Organiste.

-Adri

[Gamba]

Hi Adri,

as you said, Krebs is the wrong music for this organ, I think Franck is it, too. If you are an organ puritan or similar (?) you could only play organ music of the area and the building time of the organ.

In this way it would also be a missunderstanding to play Bach and Krebs on Schnitger and Silbermann. Bach was the ambassador of the middle german organ tradition – in Germany we call it “mitteldeutsche Orgelbautradition” (a synthesis of north and south tradition). Bach articulated the parameters: “Gravität”, “Lieblichkeit” and “Schärfe”. Organs builders like Trost, Wender, Hildebrandt, Trebs and Wagner were ideal…

Trost organ with a lot of "romantic " 8 stops and a grave pedal

So it would be unimaginable to play Bach and Krebs on a Schnitger or Silbermann. A lot of musicologists wrote about this problem.

But I mean: It is puritanism pure.

It's very difficult to tell about THE baroque organ.

I hope you understand my cross over with a sense of humor: Krebs and a little romantic village organ. During the recordings I felt the atmosphere of wedding services at village church organs.

You can listen to the demos and discover a lot of romantic elements. For example: the outstanding Cremona 8'.

Sincerely, Matthias

[adri]

Interesting historical wedding photo. They look so relaxed after all that Krebs. What's the food on the wedding dinner menu: well, Krebs (translates as crabs), of course. :D

Sorry, couldn't help myself. :lol:

[Gamba]

Interesting historical wedding photo. They look so relaxed after all that Krebs. What's the food on the wedding dinner menu: well, Krebs (translates as crabs), of course. :D

It's a very old tradition.

Best regards, Matthias

[OrguePlayer]

Try some Cesar Franck instead!

Personally, i think that Franck show all of his best only on Cavaille-Coll
For me in playing L'Organiste, most important is using reed stops, because it was written for harmonium, ins't it?
Regards

[adri]

you're right about the reeds, but I have heard string stops and flute stops combined that almost sound like reed, or harmojnium/reed-organ stops.

[Gamba]

Romantic demo: Léon Boellmann - Offertoire



Léon was one of the guests!

Matthias

[Dutch Brad]

Gamba wrote:

"In this way it would also be a missunderstanding to play Bach and Krebs on Schnitger and Silbermann. Bach was the ambassador of the middle german organ tradition – in Germany we call it “mitteldeutsche Orgelbautradition” (a synthesis of north and south tradition). Bach articulated the parameters: “Gravität”, “Lieblichkeit” and “Schärfe”. Organs builders like Trost, Wender, Hildebrandt, Trebs and Wagner were ideal…

Trost organ with a lot of "romantic " 8 stops and a grave pedal

So it would be unimaginable to play Bach and Krebs on a Schnitger or Silbermann."

I thought it was well known that Silbermann and Bach had connections? Bach was also very much interested in the Northern instruments and heard them while visiting Buxtehude. Bach had to do with what he had and it is known he played other than only Middle-German organs. I doubt if he chose a different style of playing while playing Buxtehude's organ.

As far as Gravität”, “Lieblichkeit” and “Schärfe" is concerned, here is the beginning of the original specification of the 1714 Gottfried Silbermann organ in the Dom St.Marien in Freiburg.

Brustwerk (I) - delicat und lieblich
Hauptwerk (II) - gravitätischer Klang
Oberwerk (III) - scharff und spitzig
Pedal - stark und durchdringend

This organ had nine 8 ft stops in the manuals including a Viola di Gamba, five 4 ft stops and two 16 ft stops.

[Gamba]

I thought it was well known that Silbermann and Bach had connections?

Bach got to know (only two) Silbermann organs first in 1725/1731/1736 (Dresden). Most of his organ compositions are older!

We only know ONE singular cooperation between Bach and Silbermann: the certificate of the Hildebrandt organ in Naumburg in 1746.

Silbermann is an outstanding outsider amongst the Middle-German organ area (with french influence (reeds/mutations), other tuning, very high wind pressure...).

Everything else is legend. Sorry.

Organ builders with connections to Bach:

Albrecht
Becker
Contius
Ehrhardt
Hildebrandt
Schäfer
Scheibe
Schröter
Schweinefleisch
Silbermann (1746)
Stertzing
Trebs
Trost
Wagner
Wender

Best regards,
Matthias

PS: It is allowed to play Bach on Silbermann. :wink:
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Bibliographical reference:
Hermann J. Busch, Orgeln um Johann Sebastian Bach, 1995, page 132
Christoph Wolff, Die Orgeln J. S. Bachs, 2006, page 34, 160