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Organ of Krewerd 1531 now available for HW1

PostSun Apr 15, 2007 12:33 pm

Following the interest shown by many users we have decided, afterall, to make available a HW1 version of this very old organ in Krewerd, in the province of Groningen.
This organ from the early 16th century is one of the most original and ancient still playable organs of the Netherlands.
The ages-old gothic organ with its maximum of resonance and volume and also with the very attractive radiant voices is from a rare and rugged sort of beauty.
It's a miracle that in the remote landscape of Groningen this precious trinket in the old church of Krewerd has been rescued during al these years.

Pour répondre à l'intérêt montré par de nombreux utilisateurs, nous avons décidé, après tout, de diffuser une version HW1 de ce très vieil orgue de Krewerd, dans la province de Groningue.
Cet instrument de la première moitié du 16ème siècle est un des orgues les plus originaux et anciens encore jouable de tous les Pays-Bas.
Cet orgue de la période gothique tardive, avec ses fortes résonances et la brillance attachante de ses timbres, est d'une beauté âpre et rare.
C'est un miracle que ce précieux joyau de la vieille église de Krewerd ait été préservé pendant toutes ces années, dans le plat paysage de Groningue.

Para responder al interés mostrado por numerosos usuarios, decidimos en fín difundir una versión HW1 de este muy viejo órgano de Krewerd, en la provincia de Groningen
Este instrumento de la primera mitad del siglo XVI es uno de los órganos los más originales y antiguos aún factible de todos los Países Bajos.
Este órgano del período gótico tardío, con sus fuertes resonancias y el brillo de sus sonidos, es de una belleza áspera y rara.
Es un milagro que esta preciosa joya de la vieja iglesia de Krewerd se haya preservado durante todos estos años, en el paisaje llano de Groningen.

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The organ was build in 1531 by an unknown builder. The organ has 6 1/2 stops. 5 stops are original.

L'orgue a été construit en 1531 par un facteur inconnu. Il possède 6 jeux 1/2 dont 5 sont d'origine.

El órgano fue construido en 1531 por un factor desconocido. Posee 6 juegos 1/2m 5 de los cuales son de origen.

Disposition/Disposición

Manualrange: C, D, E, F, G, A-c'''
Étendue du clavier: Do1, Ré1, Mi1, Fa1, Sol1, La1 et ensuite toutes les notes jusqu'à Do4
Amplitud del teclado: Do1, Ré1, Mi1, Fa1, Sol1, La1 y a continuación todas las notas hasta Do4

Prestant 8' (1531)
Holpyp 8' (1531)
Sesquialtera 2 st. (disc. c'-c''') (1975) de Graaf
Octaaf 2' (1531)
Octaaf 4' (1531)
Quint 3' (1531)
Fluyt 4' (1857) Freytag

Pedals fixed coupled C, D, E, F, G, A, Ais, B, C, Cis, D.
Pédalier à accouplement fixe Do1, Ré1, Mi1, Fa1, So1, La1, La#1, Sib, Do2, Cis, D.
Pedal con acoplamiento fijo Do1, Ré1, Mi1, Fa1, So1, La1, La#1, Sib, Do2, Cis, D.

Windexhauster/Renforcement du vent/Refuerzo del viento.

Pitch: nearly two tones above normal
Temperament: 1/4-comma meantone without modifications
Windpressure: 89 mm

Diapason: presque deux demi-tons au dessus de la normale
Tempérament: 1/4-comma mésotonique sans modifications
Pression du vent: 89 mm

Diapasón: casi dos semitonos sobre normal
Temperamento: 1/4-comma
mesotonico sin modificaciones
Presión del viento: 89 mm.

Have a look at a very special picture of a Prestant-pipe, the "complex" connection from pedals to manual and other pictures at:
Jetez donc un œil sur des vues très particulières d'un tuyau du Prestant, de l'accouplement "complexe" du clavier au pédalier et autres photos sur:
Miren vistas muy particulares de un tubo del Prestant, del acoplamiento "complejo" del teclado al pedal y otras fotografías sobre:
http://orgel.edskes.net/kerk_dorpskerk_krewerd.htm

This sampleset comes with 4 Organ Definition Files (ODF).

1e: A representation of the real organ.
The pedalboard shows 15 keys but Cis, Dis, Fis and Gis does not speak.
2e: A normal representation.
The missing 4 samples per stop are created by retuning their lower neighbours one semitone up.
The pedalboard is here fixed coupled as usual.
3e: The extended representation.
Perhaps the puritans under us do not like it but the extended version has 2 manuals and pedals with the 6 1/2 stops free to use.
You can play now more complicated works. We have the Sesqualtera extended downwards by copying the lowest octave twice.
4e: The representation with free tremulant on man 2.
The same as 3 but the tremulant now works only on man 2. Attention: memory consumption doubles!

Cette banque de sons (sampleset) est livrée avec 4 définitions d'orgue (ODF).
1°: Une représentation de l'orgue réel.
Le pédalier affiche 15 touches mais les Do#, Ré#, Fa# et So# ne parlent pas.
2°: Une représentation normale.
Les 4 échantillons manquant par jeux ont été créés par emprunt à leur plus proche voisin inférieur et augmentés d'un demi-ton.
Ici le pédalier est accouplé comme d'habitude.
3°: La représentation étendue.
Sans doute elle ne plaira pas à certains puritains mais cette version étendue a eux clavier et pédalier avec, sur chacun, les 6 jeux 1/2 prêts à l'emploi.
Cette version permet donc de jouer les œuvres les plus compliquées. Nous avons étendu la Sesqualtera vers le bas par deux reprises de l'octave inférieure.
4°: La représentation avec le tremblant sur le seul clavier 2.
Elle est identique à la version 3 mais le tremblant n'est actif que sur le clavier 2. Attention: la quantité de mémoire utilisée est doublée!

Suministra a este banco de sonidos (sampleset) con 4 definiciones de órgano (ODF).
1°: Una representación del órgano real.
El pedal indica 15 teclas pero el DO #, Re #, Fa # y So # no hablan.
2°: Una representación normal.
Los 4 recuerdos que faltaban por juegos fueron creados por empréstito a su vecino inferiorl y aumentados de un semitono.
Aquí el pedal es acoplado como siempre.
3°: La representación ancha.
Seguramente no agradará a algunos puritanos pero esta versión ancha tiene 2 teclados y pedal con, sobre cada uno, los 6 juegos 1/2 listos al empleo.
Esta versión permite pues jugar las obras más complicadas. Extendimos lo Sesqualtera hacia abajo por dos repeticiones de la octava inferior.
4°: La representación con el que tiembla sobre el único teclado 2.
es idéntica a la versión 3 pero el tremblante sólo es activo con el teclado 2o.
Atención: ¡la cantidad de memoria utilizada es doble!

See for memory consumption:
http://www.hauptwerk.nl/systeemkrewerden.php
Pour l'utilisation de la mémoire, voir:
http://www.hauptwerk.nl/systeemkrewerdfr.php
Para la utilización de la memoria, ver:
http://www.hauptwerk.nl/systeemkrewerdes.php

Keyboard noises have been added (can be switched off).
Les bruits du clavier ont été ajoutés (ils peuvent être désactivés).
Los ruidos del teclado se añadieron (pueden desactivar los).

The organ is recorded 24 bit 96 kHz and for HW 1 downsampled to 16 bit 44.1 kHz.
The samples are of equal temperament and tuned up two semitones a'=493.8 Hz.
L'orgue a été enregistré en 24 bit 96 kHz mais pour HW 1 il a été ramené à 16 bit 44.1 kHz.
Les échantillons sont à tempérament égal et accordés deux demi-tons plus haut La3=493.8 Hz.
El órgano se registró en 24 bit 96 kHz pero para HW 1 se redujo a 16 bit 44.1 kHz.
Los recuerdos son a temperamento igual y concedidos dos semitonos más alto La3=493.8 Hz.

The program PipeTune is supplied with full agreement of the maker Martin Dümig http://www.duemig-neufahrn.de/Orgel/PipeTune/
We have added a small program to make it easy to use all kinds of temperaments and tonesettings. A new feature in this program is the possibility to detune the different stops by a chosen amount.
Le programme PipeTune est fourni avec l'agrément de son auteur Martin Dümig http://www.duemig-neufahrn.de/Orgel/PipeTune/
Nous avons ajouté un petit programme pour rendre aisé l'utilisation de toutes sortes de tempéraments et d'accords. Une nouvelle fonction de ce programme est la possibilité de désaccorder les différents jeux d'une quantité choisie.
El programa PipeTune se da con la autorización de su autor Martin Dümig http://www.duemig-neufahrn.de/Orgel/PipeTune/
Añadimos un pequeño programa para hacer fácil la utilización de toda clase de temperamentos y acuerdos. Una nueva función de este programa es la posibilidad de desafinar los distintos juegos de una cantidad elegida.

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Prices:
Version HW 1
The price of this version is 70 Euro
Including a donation of 13 Euro to the "Stichting Oude Groninger Kerken". Excluding 6 Euro freightcosts.
Delivery as of this moment.

Version HW 2
We expect to finish our work at the version for HW 2 may/june. This sampleset will possible be delivered with "dongle" in the resolution of 24 bit 48 kHz.
The price for the HW 2 version is 105 Euro
Including a donation of 15 Euro to the "Stichting Oude Groninger Kerken". Excluding 6 Euro freightcosts.

Upgrade HW 1 to HW 2
An upgrade costs 35 Euro
Including a donation of 4 Euro to the "Stichting Oude Groninger Kerken".
Excluding 6 Euro freightcosts.


Prix:
Version HW 1
Le prix de cette version est de 70 Euro
Elle inclut un don de 13 Euro à la "Stichting Oude Groninger Kerken". Il convient de rajouter 6 Euro pour frais de port.
Disponible actuellement.

Version HW 2
Nous espérons achever notre travail sur la version 2 de Hauptwerk en mai/juin. Cette banque de son sera sans doute fournie avec un "dongle" dans la résolution de 24 bit 48 kHz.
le prix de cette version pour HW 2 version sera de 105 Euro
Elle inclut un don de 15 Euro à la "Stichting Oude Groninger Kerken". Il convient de rajouter 6 Euro pour frais de port.

Mise à jour HW 1 vers HW 2
La mise à jour coûtera 35 Euro
Elle inclut un don de 4 Euro à la "Stichting Oude Groninger Kerken". Il convient de rajouter 6 Euro pour frais de port.

Precio:
Versión HW
El 1 precio de esta versión es de 70 Euro incluyendo una subvención de 13 Euro a "Stichting Oude Groninger Kerken".
Conviene añadir 6 Euro para gastos de envio.
Disponible ahorá.

Version HW 2
esperamos acabar nuestro trabajo sobre la versión 2 de Hauptwerk en mayo/junio
Este banco de sonido, estrara vendido probablemente con un "dongle" en la Resolución 24 bit 48 kHz.
el precio de esta versión para HW 2 será de 105 Euro
Incluye una subvención de 15 Euro a la "Stichting Oude Groninger Kerken". Conviene añadir 6 Euro para gastos de envio.

Actualización HW 1 hacia HW 2
la actualización costará 35 Euro
Incluye una subvención de 4 Euro a la "Stichting Oude Groninger Kerken". Conviene añadir 6 Euro para gastos de envio.

Meer informatie:
http://www.hauptwerk.nl/krewerdnl.php
For more information see:
http://www.hauptwerk.nl/krewerden.php
Pour plus amples informations, voir:
http://www.hauptwerk.nl/krewerdfr.php
Para más amplia información, ver:
http://www.hauptwerk.nl/krewerdes.php

Fred de Jong en Rietje Raatgeep http://www.hauptwerk.nl
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Re: Organ of Krewerd 1531 now available for HW1

PostMon Apr 16, 2007 3:20 pm

Siegfred wrote:Following the interest shown by many users we have decided, afterall, to make available a HW1 version


Why is someone still using HW1????
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Re: Organ of Krewerd 1531 now available for HW1

PostMon Apr 16, 2007 9:29 pm

Raimund wrote:Why is someone still using HW1????


Probably for the same reason some people defrost refrigerators by hand, drive cars without air bags, put up with two hour commutes or work for starvation wages.

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PostTue Apr 17, 2007 1:08 am

Some of us who use HW2 still prefer to work with HW1 sample sets because we prefer the stops control interface generated by an HW1 .organ file over the cumbersome CODM generated displays.

Also, with unencrypted HW1 wav files one can create extended ranks derived from the original pipe samples using Pipetune software.
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PostTue Apr 17, 2007 2:22 am

Why is someone still using HW1????


I follow all the stuff on HW2, multi channel, 8 core Macs, etc with much interest but not everybody can spend that much money on a hobby!

It took me 1 year to decide to spend the money to buy HW1 license (played SF based organ till then).
Then it took 1.5 year to buy the second keyboard ($100) and another 6 month to find the funds ($150) and time to build a frame to hold all the stuff. Stop control by keyboard.

I just bought an additional screen ($150) so I can use an older PC as stand alone HW machine.

Still contemplating whether I can live with the free organs gathered, or spend money on a sampleset, as this will reduce any change of upgrading the sound system (Inspire 5.1 amplifier/woofer + Infinity bookshelfs...) in the near future.

I still did not see any reason to upgrade to HW2 as the cheapest way still sets me $200 back, which is more then the HW1 license full price. And HW1 works fine, so why should I? Would I hear the difference with the sound system as it is: probably not.
Have a nice day,
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PostTue Apr 17, 2007 2:28 am

Hi Martin

I do not know whether you are willing to disclose such info, but it would be interesting to see (even in percentage) how many HW1 customers bought HW2 upgrades. Or % of new customers that opt for HW2 Concert directly.
I can imagine many people are still sitting on the fence for all kind of reasons
I would not be suprised that if HW1 for 50 pounds was still available many would go for that.

One could get the impression from the forum that HW2 Concert running on at least some Xeon server with 16 Gb streaming in multichannel to 8+ amplifiers with 20+ speakers is the minimum for the standard HW user... :-)
Have a nice day,
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PostTue Apr 17, 2007 7:01 am

Hello Amnon,

Sorry - I'm afraid I don't want to disclose sales figures.

Selling Hauptwerk v2 at 50 GBP is absolutely not an option - I would be losing a lot of money on each sale if I did that. When I wrote Hauptwerk v1 I had a full-time job to subsidise it, whereas now, because Hauptwerk v2 is so much more advanced and complex, and thus requires so much more work, I cannot do that.

You have to remember that Hauptwerk's is a very niche market, so the number of copies sold is small, and, mainly because many of Hauptwerk's users are not very experienced with computers, the average number of hours of support per customer is high. The average per-user cost of supporting Hauptwerk alone (excluding any development time) is considerably more than 50 GBP in terms of the average hourly rate I would have to pay somebody with sufficient skills to do it.

50 GBP may seem like a lot to some people, which is of course fair enough (and probably depends a lot on the currency exchange rate for their country), but in terms of the work and costs involved and in UK money it certainly isn't, especially when compared to the size of the market. There is absolutely no way that Hauptwerk could exist in its present form if it was priced that low.

Whilst people do have 'super computers' to run Hauptwerk, and I can see that some people might get the impression that they are the norm from the forum, they emphatically aren't necessary, in that Hauptwerk v2 can outperfom v1 in every way on given hardware. For example, these website pages try to emphasize that:

http://www.crumhorn-labs.com/Hauptwerk- ... rade.shtml

http://www.crumhorn-labs.com/Support-HWVersions.shtml

I believe that anybody will find a very, very obvious improvement and realism in upgrading from v1 to v2, whatever hardware and sample sets you have.

Best regards,
Martin.
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PostTue Apr 17, 2007 7:50 am

Hi Martin

Sorry to give the wrong impression: i am convinced v2 is better, and I am sure you can not live from 50 pounds per license. I just meant that I could imagine that in case you would still sell HW1 for 50 as an option is your store, many users would opt for that. I understand fully you will not go that way as you will 'loose' on v2 income.

My whole point is that HW1 is enough for some purposes, and that is the reason why there is a request for HW1 samplesets as was questioned above.
Have a nice day,
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PostWed Apr 18, 2007 10:18 am

I received the Krewerd sample set today and installed it at once on my computer. It's really an exciting experience to play on this worthy instrument and listen the so particular sound of these almost 5 centuries old pipes.
When these silver plated sonorities are heard, with there complex resonances, one understands why those organ were the precursors of the Northern Europe baroques instruments. It is the same esthetics which, purified, led to the Arp Sneitger or Hinz chiefs of works.
But the Krewerd organ, with its hard medieval frankness is still a different world, very attracting and authentic.
Although the sample set is yet available only for HW1, it is already a success. Sonorities are charming and appear me to be very close of reality, especially with the choice of the original temperament (meantone 4). Tremulant is gentle and well balanced. The keyboard and drawknobs noises are discrete (I suppose that they are noisier in reality). Misses only the noise of the blower which will be included, I think, in version 2. The general impression is very realistic.
I hope that Fred will be able to complete his work soon and I'm sure already that the sample set for HW2 will be a true wonder.

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