Reverb with dry sample sets

Ian Ward · Post by **Ian Ward** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:43 am

Advice & recommendations would be appreciated from anyone.
Have looked online at Alesis & Peavey Delta Fex, but what to buy???

dna · Post by **dna** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 7:13 pm

Several people on this forum are using one of the models in the Lexicon MX series. I'm using the MX400. A search on reverb will show some other hardware and software reverbs that forum members are using.

As you probably know, Martin is planning on including reverb in a future HW version. That has the potential of being a more sophisticated and flexible reverb approach. Because reverb is one of the most asked for HW additions, my guess is that it will be in the next major HW release, but that's pure speculation on my part. If you have enough CPU horsepower, it might be tempting to go with a low cost software solution to tide you over until the HW reverb comes out. Otherwise a used MX100 or MX200 for around $100 or less would be a decent option.

-David

Stefanussen · Post by **Stefanussen** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 8:46 pm

I believe Martin alluded to the fact that while it was high priority, we should not hold our breaths. One of the software solutions would probably work fine.

dna · Post by **dna** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 11:37 pm

Yes, that's why I bought the MX400 several months ago rather than wait for HW reverb. In any case, I'm not looking forward to another major HW releases any time soon. At the current rate of US$ devaluation, I'll have to get a second mortgage on my house to pay for future HW upgrades. :)

Stefanussen · Post by **Stefanussen** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 11:47 pm

how is the mx400?

dna · Post by **dna** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:16 am

The MX400 (which has two of the MX200's effect's processors) is overkill just for HW; it has a lot of features I'll probably never use. The complaint many users have about the MX models is that the user needs to tweak the default out-of-the-box reverb to get good results. I started with Leo Chris' settings, which I thought were pretty good for my room, and went from there. The 4 channel surround modes sound pretty realistic to my ears. However, I haven't compared it to the better software reverbs which my current PC couldn't run along with HW anyway. Here are reviews of the MX200 and MX400:

MX200: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/nov05/a ... nmx200.htm

MX400: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/nov06/a ... exicon.htm

-David

David Pinnegar · Post by **David Pinnegar** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 7:27 pm

Ian Ward wrote:Advice & recommendations would be appreciated from anyone.
Have looked online at Alesis & Peavey Delta Fex, but what to buy???

I'm using an Alesis Picoverb to good effect. My instrument is currently a standard electronic to which I've added some boxes from people throwing them out . . . in favour of Hauptwerk . . . And they are absolutely dry!

The basic organ and most of the speakers are downstairs with two large reverb speakers upstairs on a balcony . . . and some more in the roof. These are driven by a "Multiverb" with just slightly different algorithms to the Alesis.

The effect is audible on
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SHtQIq-V5s
and in particular on the first chord of
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayQI9WyS8Hw

It's set to the "hall" setting to what I think is good effect.

Best wishes

David P

deWaverley · Post by **deWaverley** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:52 am

David Pinnegar wrote:The basic organ and most of the speakers are downstairs with two large reverb speakers upstairs on a balcony . . . and some more in the roof.

Oh yess! That's what I love about this place...finally found a group of people who are as completely crazy about all this as I am!

We should all get together one day, and our wives could discuss what it's like to live with our obsession!

deWav

David Pinnegar · Post by **David Pinnegar** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:16 pm

deWaverley wrote:Oh yess! That's what I love about this place...finally found a group of people who are as completely crazy about all this as I am!

We should all get together one day, and our wives could discuss what what it's like to live with our obsession!

Thank goodness for that! I got thrown off the UK organists/organ builders forum for putting on and posting on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH8N1QrkPbo - our previous experiment was
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOAbmIOU-Ek

They said: "your approach would tend to hasten the demise of pipe organ music as a serious art".

Having promoted Vierne, Durufle, Demessieux and Germani seriously in the same concert, what can one say?

As far as I can see, interest in organ music is dying as UK churches get sold off to residential development and organs get scrapped and projects like Hauptwerk which enable the sonic re-creation of big instruments for performer practice and wider appreciation of the larger repertoire are a really important impetus for the organ to survive at all.

The symphonic writers for organ should be as well known as Beethoven and Brahms but are not known simply because they composed for the organ rather than the orchestra. So my concerts are intended to change that and to involve young people too. I'm not using Hauptwerk . . . so will be very quiet around here except perhaps on common issues of MIDI encoding and processing - but if anyone wants to demonstrate Hauptwerk capabilities for a concert we have a 5 manual MIDI output to plug into anyone's Hauptwerk setup . . .

It could mean that we could introduce different virtual organs to audiences. Has anyone sampled an Italian Pyramid de Ripieno? It could be a very exciting addition to anyone's sample set.

Back to the issue of madness, we are using a variety of around two dozen speakers for this organ including one 7ft high!

Best wishes

David P

David Pinnegar · Post by **David Pinnegar** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:44 pm

Ian Ward wrote:Advice & recommendations would be appreciated from anyone.
Have looked online at Alesis & Peavey Delta Fex, but what to buy???

Back on thread, the Alesis Picoverb is not only excellent on the "hall" setting but it has a rotary simulator which immediately turns your organ into a cinema organ - if and when one wants such a thing.

However, on bass notes it introduces a bit of a rattle - which is actually quite a realistic sound . . . of pipes rattling in a rack. Unintended of course and it makes one want to check other speakers or amps until suddenly one clicks - "oh that's the reverb unit again".

The ART Multiverb LT driving different speakers has a different algorithms so makes a good unit to run in parallel - setting number 3 is similar to the Picoverb "hall" setting.

I've tried a Microverb but it's an older unit and mine caused a problem - and think that the Picoverb is better anyway. I've also got a Yamaha on the shelf which I have not tried yet, the Pico being quite adequate.

Best wishes

David P

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