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Postby allencga » Tue Jul 20, 2010 3:16 pm

I am attempting to build a zimbelstern for my Hauptwerk set up using nine small brass bells. Need a gear motor to drive it but don't know what speed to use. Can anyone advise?

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Re: zimbelstern

Postby engrssc » Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:46 am

Don't know it this is a clue for you? http://concordiansisters.blogspot.com/2008/03/tinkle-tinkle-cymbal-star.html DIY project build using an old 33 1/3 rpm phonograph (sometimes called a record player). There is a picture near the bottom of the page that can be enlarged by clicking on it . This person used 7 brass bells.

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Re: zimbelstern

Postby Martin_Dümig » Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:41 pm

Hello Allen,

here two examples taken from famous organs in Germany (taken from vinyl records):

1.) Zimbelstern at Gabler organ at Weingarten:
http://www.duemig-neufahrn.de/Orgel/Beispiele/Weingarten_Zimbelstern.mp3

2.) Zimbelstern from Herbst Organ at Lahm im Itzgrund:
http://www.duemig-neufahrn.de/Orgel/Beispiele/Lahm_Itzgrund_Zimbelstern.mp3
This are two Zimbelsterne situated in the two pedal towers left and right to the main organ case. As far as i remember these revolute with a frequency of one circulation per second.

Hope this helps - Martin
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Re: zimbelstern

Postby Jim Reid » Thu Jul 22, 2010 6:12 pm

Martin, Would translate, or paraphrase this into English:

Statement of an old organbuilder: "Immer, wenns nix worn is, nennt mas' Schwegel"

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Re: zimbelstern

Postby Martin_Dümig » Fri Jul 23, 2010 3:54 am

Hello Jim,

The sentence "Immer, wenns nix worn is, nennt mas' Schwegel" is in south german dialect and means: Always when you failed to make a special stop as intended, you could name the result "Schwegel". I heard this statement from an old organ builder.

I had to look up the definition of Schwegel or Schwiegel by myself. I myself remember it as a flutelike stop of higher pitch (2'), but my search results are somehow ambivalent (like the statement states).

At http://www.aeoline.de/page_1.htm it is defined like Harfenprincipal - a narrow principal.
At http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_von_Orgelregistern it is defined as comming from the old german word suegala which means shinbone and means Querflöte - as in former times flutes where made from bones.

To make it short - nobody exactly knows what this stop name stands for so you could take this name for every stop. :)

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Re: zimbelstern

Postby engrssc » Fri Jul 23, 2010 9:17 am

Martin_Dümig wrote:
To make it short - nobody exactly knows what this stop name stands for so you could take this name for every stop. :)


Then, too, as a friend of mine does on occasion, make up your own name for a stop. And there are some funny ones. :lol:

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Re: zimbelstern

Postby Davidhh » Sat Jul 24, 2010 4:50 pm

You can cut the cost and cut out the annoying noise by copying some of the North Dutch Protestants. They weren't quite plain enough to reject Zimbelsterns completely, but they were sufficiently strict to specify that they should rotate, but not be fitted with any bells.
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