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Re: Large Church Installation - Greenwood UMC - Greenwood, I

PostThu Jul 30, 2020 4:36 pm

Can "picture" that, thanks Drew.

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Re: Large Church Installation - Greenwood UMC - Greenwood, I

PostSat Aug 01, 2020 7:32 pm

As promised, here is Héctor's concert...

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLb4WZDe-1YwaQB4Fi4bvmtMhkViPavTfe

The program includes some personal favorites, as well as an original composition, an off-the-cuff improvisation, and more! I hope you will subscribe to us on YouTube and follow us for more recordings in the near future.

As for the recording, I tried a new approach to the video - and as it turns out, I need some more light, the sanctuary is quite dark in the evenings.

Toccata from the Misa with Songs by Domingo Lobato (1920-2012)
Notes: Domingo Lobato Bañales. Mexican composer and organist, born in Morelia Michoacan on July 4th, 1920, and death in Guadalajara on October 5th, 2012. He was a student of the great Mexican organist and composer Miguel Bernal Jimenez.

Sonata for Organ Op. 65 N. 6 by Felix Mendelssohn Bartholdy (1809-1847)
- Choral and 6 variations
- Fugue
- Finale

Notes: The Sonata N. 6 in D minor is based on Luther's Chorale Vater unser im Himmelreich (Our Father, who art in heaven).

Ciacona in E Minor, BuxWV 160 by Dietrich Buxtehude (1637-1707)
Ciacona or Chaconne has a structure similar to the variations on a repeated short harmonic progression often involving a fairly short repetitive bass-line. This type of composition was a very popular composition in the baroque.


Sonata Finale by Vincenzo Petrali (1830-1889)
Notes: Vincenzo Petrali (1830–1889) was organist in the basilica of Santa Maria Maggiore in Bergamo, Italy, and taught in Bergamo and Pesaro. He is remembered today as the teacher of Enrico Bossi who went on to become Italy’s greatest composer for the organ. Petrali himself had a great reputation as an organ virtuoso and wrote a very large number of lively and tuneful organ compositions.

To Our Lady of Einsiedeln by Hector Salcedo (1980)
Originally this piece was born from an improvisation made in the Einsiedeln monastery, Switzerland. After the eve prayers, the monks walk directly to the chapel where the Black Virgin is found and sing the Salve Regina to 4 male voices. After this, the organ improvises a very soft piece so that people can continue to pray and have their close encounter with the Virgin Mary.

Final from the 1st Sonate Symphonie in D minor Op. 42 by Alexandre Guilmant (1837-1911)
Notes: French organist and composer. He was organist of La Trinité in Paris, from 1871 until 1901. A noted pedagogue, performer, and improviser.
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Re: Large Church Installation - Greenwood UMC - Greenwood, I

PostSat Aug 01, 2020 7:53 pm

It was/is superb. Still watching and listening.
For sure there's no dust on the speakers. :shock:
As well Armley Schulze got an (enjoyable) workout.

Could I ask what opinion Hector had of Hauptwerk and your masterpiece?
He appeared quite "at home".

Thanks so much.

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Re: Large Church Installation - Greenwood UMC - Greenwood, I

PostSat Aug 01, 2020 9:26 pm

As it turns out, Hector and I met because he is interested in setting up a Hauptwerk organ at home. This organ is his first real Hauptwerk experience, I believe. I think it’s safe to say he really enjoys it.

The only criticism that he had, which I also share to some extent, is that depending on the set you’re using, it can be a bit deceptive to play and control. The Caen (wet) for example, is disorienting upon first playing. It takes a second to get used to the “location” of the sound - from the console, it sounds like you’re sitting in the middle of a massive church, and that’s odd, for sure. I chose to keep the wet because the ensemble, although not the most fitting to the physical structure of the church, is nonetheless remarkably satisfying.

However, once people get passed the oddness of that, close their eyes, perhaps, then suddenly you just listen.... at this point you’re transported across the Atlantic and you can really get lost - bathed, almost - in the immense swath of sound. For the LISTENER, it’s always sublime. For the ORGANIST, there’s a small amount of “getting used to” that occurs.
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Re: Large Church Installation - Greenwood UMC - Greenwood, I

PostSat Aug 01, 2020 10:03 pm

And there are a few sample sets where you can adjust the listening position. Wish all sample sets had that feature.

OTOH, when playing a tracker, many times the organist is right in "the middle" of the action. And sometimes as with your sanctuary, (normal configuration) the console (snd organist) are tucked away in a corner without being able to hear the ensemble as does the congregation. Something akin to pleasing some of the people some of the time.

Very impressed with his registrations. I heard sounds from Armley I've never heard before, didn't know such existed.

Of course he used the c/a. Did he use the sequencer? Also how did he do with touch screens?

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Re: Large Church Installation - Greenwood UMC - Greenwood, I

PostSun Aug 02, 2020 11:14 am

engrssc wrote:And there are a few sample sets where you can adjust the listening position. Wish all sample sets had that feature.

OTOH, when playing a tracker, many times the organist is right in "the middle" of the action. And sometimes as with your sanctuary, (normal configuration) the console (snd organist) are tucked away in a corner without being able to hear the ensemble as does the congregation. Something akin to pleasing some of the people some of the time.

Very impressed with his registrations. I heard sounds from Armley I've never heard before, didn't know such existed.

Of course he used the c/a. Did he use the sequencer? Also how did he do with touch screens?

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We had the console rolled out front and center for this recording to help with that as much as possible.

He did use the sequencer. No complaints about the touch screens. The only "ahhhh..." I get from everyone is when they realize they cant turn on (or off) multiple stops at a time. I do believe this is a Hauptwerk thing, since the monitor itself does support multitouch.
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Re: Large Church Installation - Greenwood UMC - Greenwood, I

PostSun Aug 02, 2020 11:41 am

All in all, great work.

Just jesting, assume he realizes that he won't get the same sound quality "at home" unless he has a large A frame and able to have all those audio channels. A big issue in many homes is the low ceilings and the lack of space where the audio is allowed to air mix and develop.

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Re: Large Church Installation - Greenwood UMC - Greenwood, I

PostSun Aug 02, 2020 10:17 pm

Hi Drew;

It sounds to me like the audio was recorded with microphones, but I could be living on Mars.

Tell us how the audio was processed into what we heard on Youtube.

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Re: Large Church Installation - Greenwood UMC - Greenwood, I

PostMon Aug 03, 2020 12:22 am

brooke.benfield wrote:Hi Drew;

It sounds to me like the audio was recorded with microphones, but I could be living on Mars.

Tell us how the audio was processed into what we heard on Youtube.

Thanks.



The audio was recorded "live." So yes, for all of our concerts (with the exception of the Dedication Concert, which used 4 mics...) I use a pair of Audio Technica AT4022's, direct to disk. No edits. Mics are quite high - roughly 25' - and about 30-40' back from the speakers, spaced about 16" apart.

Those particular mics do quite well for me. I just can't justify the cost of Neumann, or EarthWorks mics. These have a good low-end to them. Add that, to the resonance of the room, and you can do a good job recording that low-end.
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Re: Large Church Installation - Greenwood UMC - Greenwood, I

PostTue Aug 04, 2020 12:40 pm

Drew,

A couple of comments and an observation: First, excellent job of recording! Your Audio Technica mics do a very fine job and the sound is very good. Listening even with my cheap earbuds here at work I very much enjoyed it. Wow, both instruments sure sound good and it's nice to hear them using a great sound system in a larger setting as it really gives a person a good idea of what can be accomplished, so hats off to you on that part as well. Being I'm an Armley Schulze owner and love the instrument, I'd still give a slight edge to the Caen in terms of being more pleasing and overall more realistic sounding. It's very close though to my ears.

Observation: I don't know if it's just Hector's firmness in how he plays, but I do notice some flex to the keyboards as he plays. Perhaps something to look into and add some additional support under the key beds?

Otherwise GREAT!

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PostTue Aug 04, 2020 7:17 pm

1961TC4ME wrote:Drew,

A couple of comments and an observation: First, excellent job of recording! Your Audio Technica mics do a very fine job and the sound is very good. Listening even with my cheap earbuds here at work I very much enjoyed it. Wow, both instruments sure sound good and it's nice to hear them using a great sound system in a larger setting as it really gives a person a good idea of what can be accomplished, so hats off to you on that part as well. Being I'm an Armley Schulze owner and love the instrument, I'd still give a slight edge to the Caen in terms of being more pleasing and overall more realistic sounding. It's very close though to my ears.

Observation: I don't know if it's just Hector's firmness in how he plays, but I do notice some flex to the keyboards as he plays. Perhaps something to look into and add some additional support under the key beds?

Otherwise GREAT!

Marc


Yes, I still am quite fond of Caen. It is my go-to if I'm going to spend a few hours alone mulling around. Armley, does, by contrast, have the ability to do some wonderfully lush string choruses that are just lovely. While I still really admire the Armley, I have always felt that I haven't gotten the voicing quite right. For what it's worth, I enable the Choir Trumpet as a separate rank, and tried to voice it more as a tuba. It also get's its own expression pedal. This really gives some great flexibility. However, it's never been "just right" to my ears. Perhaps that's because the Armley is such a unique instrument - not strictly English, and not entirely German. I have really been wanting the Peterborough Cathedral set, but it's not available for v4 anymore, since it's strictly english. Anyway, I'm rambling.... Part of the problem, also, with this recording and setup, I realized when doing the video work, I had the Chancel AND Nave ranks playing. I did that when initially setting up the organ and have yet to change it - I typically let it load and then turn the volume all the way down on the settings page - but in the mess of things I forgot to turn that off for this. So, with that, it tends to have a bit more low-mid "bloom" than I care for. Oh well.

And as for the flexing manuals..... YES! I did not realize how bad that was until I was editing all the video! I was shocked. I typically don't play so aggressively so I hadn't paid it much attention, but this absolutely has to be addressed. Those manuals are all new. I purchased them from Matt Arnold, and the wood work is great, but something has to be done to address the flexing. I think I can remedy it with some 1/2"x1/2" angled steel. It is definitely on the never-ending punch list.

One other thing I also learned from this is that I need a few good camera stabilizers. Geez.
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Re: Large Church Installation - Greenwood UMC - Greenwood, I

PostFri Nov 13, 2020 2:16 pm

I’m really digging the theater side of the organ. Originally an afterthought, it really has become a more prominent fixture...

Sarah and I have done a couple more duets recently, but also, Justin Stahl stopped by and recorded these three selections:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLb4WZDe-1YwbWJWLc0acfzzyNaTm3wVeo
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Re: Large Church Installation - Greenwood UMC - Greenwood, I

PostSat Nov 14, 2020 7:41 pm

Great t/o music, thanks for sharing, Drew. 8) :lol:

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