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Creating a large sample set using existing sets

PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:46 pm
by kiaya611
I was going to purchase a large sample set, but now it is no longer available, so I am interested in knowing the best way to go to create a large specification, similar in size to the one I was going to use. I don't know if taking entire divisions from each set would be the most cohesive or going with individual ranks. The original set had 346 ranks, 265 stops, 233 voices, 18 divisions over 5 manuals and pedal in a dual-magnetic drawknob console and SAMS for the 2 full rows of couplers and lighted pistons and toe-studs, along with 5 expression shoes and a crescendo shoe.

At first the main goal was to collect all of the parts, but now that the sample set is no longer available, I don't know how difficult it would be to put something of that size together and make the CODM and ODF for it. Thank you for your help. Steven

Re: Creating a large sample set using existing sets

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:01 pm
by wlsartore
Sorry can't help but I would love t know the names of each of those 18 divisions!

Bill S.

Re: Creating a large sample set using existing sets

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:22 pm
by kiaya611
wlsartore wrote:Sorry can't help but I would love t know the names of each of those 18 divisions!

Bill S.

They are available on the Organ's/Church's website. A sample set was made, but the company stopped making it available. I as going to do some "adjustments" to it, but it just gave a very good start in a large installation. Here is some information: "The Great Organs of First Church, situated in the enormous vaulted Sanctuary of Los Angeles' oldest Protestant Church, together constitute perhaps the largest musical instrument existing in any church in the world today. Now, with approximately 346 ranks, 265 stops, 233 voices, 18 divisions and more than 20,000 pipes, the Great Organs speak down the Nave and Chancel and from the South and North Transept Galleries with the music of the ages.

The Seeley Wintersmith Mudd Memorial Organ (Chancel)

Since its founding in 1867, First Congregational Church of Los Angeles has played an important role in the musical and cultural life our city. So it was appropriate that, when First Church constructed its new soaring Gothic Cathedral on West 6th Street in 1931, a new organ would be built. In chambers high on both sides of the Chancel, the Seeley Wintersmith Mudd Memorial Organ was constructed and installed by the noted American organ builder, Ernest M. Skinner. Voiced in the style of what came to be known as the "American Classic" school of organ building, the five divisions of that organ — controlled by a four-manual draw-knob-console — served as the church's principal instrument until 1969, when it was greatly enlarged from its original 58 ranks. Unaltered in the 1969 expansion were the sturdy diapasons, lush strings, and the Skinner hallmarks: the romantic flute and reed stops of the Solo division.

The Frank C. Noon Memorial Organ (West Gallery)

The nationally known James W. Fifield, Jr., Senior Minister of First Church for 32 years, and Lloyd Holzgraf, the brilliant Organist in Residence at First Church from 1959 until 1998, envisioned a grand new instrument in the West Gallery of First Church, more than 200 feet from the Main Altar in the Chancel. Thus, the Frank C. Noon Memorial Organ, named for the distinguished banker and devout churchman who guided the project to completion, was built by Herman Schlicker, with Clarence Mader and Mr. Holzgraf as consultants. Set in a free-standing case with towering copper pedal pipes on either side of the rose window, the Gallery Organ, with its clean voicing, brilliant ensembles and grand basses in its five divisions, enables the organist to capture the spirit and inspiration of the North German tradition of the 17th century.

The Italian Division (Chancel)

The 11th division consists of a small Italian-style Continuo Organ, situated above the Peace Shrine (adjacent to the South Choir of the Chancel). Build by Schlicker, the crisp tones of the Continuo Organ are heard frequently in the accompaniments and in large ensembles.

The Holzgraf Trumpet Royale (Chancel)

In 1984, in honor of Mr. Holzgraf's 25th anniversary as Organist in Residence at First Church, a splendid state trumpet — known as the Holzgraf Trumpet Royale — was added. Extending into the Chancel high above on both sides, at the foot of the Mudd Memorial Organ, the pipes of this rank find frequent use in the rich liturgy of great festival services. This brought the Great Organs to a total of approximately 218 ranks. But that is far from the end of the story.

Renewal and Upgrades

In 1990, First church embarked on a program of renewal and upgrading of the Great Organs designed to meet three separate challenges:

Recognizing that the duplicate Schlicker consoles (1969) were both technologically outdated and increasingly incapable of controlling the vast resources of the organs, the Trustees awarded a contract for the construction of two mammoth five-manual consoles to M.P. Moller, Inc., the oldest and largest American organ builder.

The Mudd Memorial Organ in the Chancel was in need of new wind chests and other mechanical repairs after some 60 years of service.

1989 first Church received a very substantial gift that would add approximately 100 ranks to the Great Organs. Richard F. Meunch, longtime Curator of the Great Organs, undertook the second and third parts of this work until his untimely death in 1992 and it was completed by William Zeiler.

The Moller Consoles (Chancel and West Gallery)

The duplicate consoles that grace the Chancel and the West Gallery of First Church are the largest draw-knob consoles ever built in the Western Hemisphere. The Chancel console, which can be moved out into the Chancel for performances, was installed in November, 1992, and was the last masterpiece designed by the venerable Moller firm, which soon closed its doors as a result of financial problems. (Moller knowingly underbid the actual cost of these gigantic consoles so as to have the prestige of designing/building them).

The twin Gallery console, completed by former Moller craftsmen at the Hagerstown Organ Company, was installed a few months later.

Gospel and Epistle Divisions (North and South Transepts)

Under the direction of the famed Frederick Swann, Organist in Residence from 1998 to 2001, William Zeiler completed the installation of Divisions in the North Transept Gallery (Gospel) and the South Transept Gallery (Epistle), so that those attending services and concerts at First Church are now surrounded by music on four sides. Organists of note from around the world, including E. Power Biggs, Virgil Fox, Alexander Schreiner and Pierre Cochereau, to name only a few, have played the Great Organs of First Church during the last 40 years.

Hearing the Great Organs of First Church

The Great Organs are heard each Sunday in a half-hour organ prelude at 10:30 am. Then, they are played for our morning worship service at 11:00 am and at the great Festival Services of the year. Additionally, they are played in various concert events that are being presented at First Church." I can't seem to find a clearer view. It at least gives you the idea. This should help...