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Looking for a piano sample (set?)

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Re: Looking for a piano sample (set?)

PostWed Nov 06, 2013 4:37 pm

steve till wrote:Someone needs to do this pedal piano thing using Bösendorfer 290 Imperial Grands.
You know, the ones with 97 keys that go all the way down to 32' C.


Ivory II Grand Pianos has a nice Bosendorfer Imperial which I enjoy playing on my three (touch-sensitive) Hauptwerk manuals. The top manual is transposed up one octave (reaching the top of the Piano's range), and the lowest manual is transposed down two octaves (reaching the bottom of the Grand Piano's range, even with 97 keys. It takes a little getting used to, but it works. I have programmed most of the Organ's Pedals to work (each one individually) as the Piano's "Sustain" pedal. Left-most and right-most Pedal Notes activate the remaining Pedal Features for the Grand Piano.

Instead, you could program the Organ's Pedals to play (simultaneously) on a Second Instance of the Bosendorfer, playing in the same VST Host program. Then you're good to go with a Pedal Piano! Just be sure to set the volume down a bit on the Pedal Part because every note will be struck with FULL VELOCITY! (Unless you have a touch-sensitive MIDI Pedalboard, which I've never heard of being commercially available.)
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Re: Looking for a piano sample (set?)

PostWed Nov 06, 2013 11:56 pm

Thank you, PianoPleno! ooops, OrganoPleno.
I will certainly look into this sample set.
I wonder if it works with Hauptwerk, or is self contained.
The demos sound very good.

Unfortunately non of my organ keyboards is touch sensitive,
but I do have an old Yamaha digital piano which would work
except for the lowest octave, maybe I can rig a touch sensitive
pedal clavier to use with it...

Thanks for the information!
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Re: Looking for a piano sample (set?)

PostFri Nov 29, 2013 2:47 pm

Is it possible to have the american D sample run along with hauptwerk and be playable at the same time as any of the hauptwerk sample sets...?

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Re: Looking for a piano sample (set?)

PostFri Nov 29, 2013 5:06 pm

I have the same interest as in the quote below.

I want to know if I can utilize the American D, along with my P 3/32,
as I now have "optical switching" on all of my keys and pedals,
and now full second touch on my accompaniment keyboard,
that could easily be adjusted for "touch control" use.

I would appreciate a positive answer,
as I would like to be sure before purchasing the Piano sample set, and the USB device ! :oops:

Yesterday I exchanged my Master Gain, with my swell pedal in HW, and the effect is OK,
But when playing the P 3/32's Piano the ability to vary the attack amplitude is very nice.
But when piano notes are sustaining and I pull back the Swell pedal,
the piano's sound is Choked, and really sounds "awful". :roll:

It is now obvious to me that one needs to have a touch controlled grand sample
set, to compliment the great sonic quality of Hauptwerk's organs. :wink:

post by OPUS1883 » Fri Nov 29, 2013 2:47 pm
Is it possible to have the american D sample run along with hauptwerk and be playable at the same time as any of the hauptwerk sample sets...?
Chris
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Re: Looking for a piano sample (set?)

PostFri Nov 29, 2013 5:11 pm

assuming that you are running both the piano sample set and HW as VSTs inside a VST host I would think it should work no problem, but it might be difficult to set things up so that you are able to play both HW and the piano from the same keyboard and toggle each separately off/on remotely unless your VST host can be controlled via midi in terms of which VST to send the midi input to...
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Re: Looking for a piano sample (set?)

PostFri Nov 29, 2013 5:18 pm

Thanks Marco,
I still would like to hear from any Hauptwerkers
that have been utilizing grand samples along with HW organs.
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Re: Looking for a piano sample (set?)

PostFri Nov 29, 2013 5:42 pm

The EastWest samples I referenced in an earlier thread come with a grand piano. I only spent a minute or two playing with it, but it seemed to work and sound just fine.

I did figure out how to do a fairly robust integration into Hauptwerk using Reaper's ReaScript. You have to write a couple of Python scripts, but it should be a set-and-forget kind of thing.

If there's sufficient interest, I could make a video detailing the Reaper, EastWest, and Hauptwerk setup along with how to make the orchestral samples controllable from Hauptwerk.
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Re: Looking for a piano sample (set?)

PostFri Nov 29, 2013 6:28 pm

If I raise both hands, would that count for 2 votes? Definitely would very much appreciate and be interested as I know very little about Reaper at this point. Thanks in advance even. 8)

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Re: Looking for a piano sample (set?)

PostFri Nov 29, 2013 6:46 pm

Hello Rob,
Can I raise both Hands as votes also,
If Your tutorial is as fabulous, as your musicianship is,
you will definitely be the answer to many Hauptwerkians prayer's ! :D
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Re: Looking for a piano sample (set?)

PostSat Nov 30, 2013 2:59 am

Speaking of (grand) piano sample sets, VI Labs (True Keys - Fort Wayne, IN) similar to others is having a reduced (33% off) Holiday Sale. http://vilabsaudio.com/news As well, a new licensing system (hopefully by Dec 4) that no longer requires the use of a physical dongle (iLok) in their case. That's a very useful development.

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Re: Looking for a piano sample (set?)

PostSat Nov 30, 2013 1:28 pm

Just my twopence-worth. I think that the comparisons being made between the sampling of HW and the modelling of Pianoteq don't really work. The point is that, broadly speaking, an organ pipe will sound the same however you play the note on the keyboard; with a piano, this is very much not the case. When you play a sampled piano, to be successful it must have as many variants as possible per note allowing for the huge velocity ranges. Sampled sets seldom have an adequate range, so however gorgeous the sound is, trying to get a nuanced performance out of the set can be a nightmare. The sound can also become very boring after a while, as the same limited sets of noises come round again and again. Pianoteq manages to bring the sounds to life, and for me anyway is the most musical digital piano I have come across.

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Re: Looking for a piano sample (set?)

PostSat Nov 30, 2013 3:31 pm

Thank you Ed,
I just sent them a note asking them to clarify "if an (Ilok) is still required in order to activate" their sample sets.
If the answer is that " it is not needed" I will definitely order one of their sets after Dec. 4th. :lol:

(edit !, Their quick reply was, "No Ilok required" after "Monday's (?) Update"
(2nd edit), "Their Quote, Requires about 2 gig's of Ram, Preferably 4 Gig "
They also told me that their most popular, is "the American Grand".

Thanks again, Ed.
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engrssc wrote:Speaking of (grand) piano sample sets, VI Labs (True Keys - Fort Wayne, IN) similar to others is having a reduced (33% off) Holiday Sale. http://vilabsaudio.com/news As well, a new licensing system (hopefully by Dec 4) that no longer requires the use of a physical dongle (iLok) in their case. That's a very useful development.

Rgds,
Ed
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Re: Looking for a piano sample (set?)

PostSun Dec 01, 2013 8:10 am

Stefanussen wrote:The EastWest samples I referenced in an earlier thread come with a grand piano. I only spent a minute or two playing with it, but it seemed to work and sound just fine.

I did figure out how to do a fairly robust integration into Hauptwerk using Reaper's ReaScript. You have to write a couple of Python scripts, but it should be a set-and-forget kind of thing.

If there's sufficient interest, I could make a video detailing the Reaper, EastWest, and Hauptwerk setup along with how to make the orchestral samples controllable from Hauptwerk.


If it possible indeed and the piano sounds well and realistic, this would be really great to me and my daughter !!

Thank you in advance for the tutorial!
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Re: Looking for a piano sample (set?)

PostWed Dec 04, 2013 4:45 pm

engrssc wrote:If I raise both hands, would that count for 2 votes? Definitely would very much appreciate and be interested as I know very little about Reaper at this point. Thanks in advance even. 8)

Rgds,
Ed


TheOrganDoc wrote:Hello Rob,
Can I raise both Hands as votes also,
If Your tutorial is as fabulous, as your musicianship is,
you will definitely be the answer to many Hauptwerkians prayer's ! :D


Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VuIsAxs5dY
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Re: Looking for a piano sample (set?)

PostSun Dec 08, 2013 2:12 am

Thanks, Rob. Looks really good. Anxious to try it when I get back.

Rgds,
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