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I have recently made a hardware change to my setup. I had originally installed the Motu MicroLite unit in my Hauptwerk setup, following the directions given in the Hauptwerk Sonar tutorial. The MicroLite, a USB unit, was fine, but lately began causing problems, first with the computer (Hauptwerk) not finding it, having me unplug and replug it to get it to work. Then it started to create startup problems. With the MicroLite I was able to record in Hauptwerk and record and play back in Sonar without issues.
I removed the MicroLite from the system and attempted to set up Hauptwerk and Sonar without it. (Sonar has changed quite a bit since the Hauptwerk tutorial was created.) Hauptwerk asked me if I wanted to permanently eliminate the MicroLite from my setup and I said “yes.” Neither Hauptwerk or Sonar ever crashed during this transition.
Hauptwerk (main program) works fine now and records and plays back MIDI without problems. (The problem is I need a MIDI editor from time to time, so I have to work with Sonar or Reaper.)
Now that I am almost ready to make another recording with a WAV created by Sonar (or Reaper) using the Grand Symphonic Cavaillé-Coll Extension, I am not able to get either program to operate properly. Here is what I have experienced so far.
Here is the computer setup: Thinkmate i7 6900K (128 Gbytes ram), Windows 10, with PCI-E RME AIO Hammerfall card/SPDIF out to Benchmark Headphone amp/Analog to Speaker amp. (No external MIDI devices (USB) are used in this setup.)
Hauptwerk 4.2.1.3
Sonar Professional 2017
Reaper 2019 (5.9.8.4) (was installed after I discovered problems with Sonar and Hauptwerk Alt. 1)
Hauptwerk Alt. 1, when set up like Hauptwerk (Main), works exactly like Hauptwerk Main does. (No problems recording or playing back.)
Hauptwerk Alt. 1 and Sonar (Using VST Link)
Haverhill: records and plays back correctly
Grand Symphonic Cavaillé-Coll: records notes and controllers/expression but does not play back anything other than tracker action noises.
Gorlitz records and plays back, but without expression and not all stops that are on a piston are heard (which are heard while making the recording.)
Rotterdam records and plays back, but has the same problem with stops that Gorlitz does.
Hauptwerk Alt 1 and Reaper (Using VST Link)
Haverhill, Gorlitz and Rotterdam (without recording), move the stepper in increments of 2 when the “next” piston is pressed. E.g., 000, 002, 004, 006, etc. (Sonar does not do this).
Haverhill:records and play back correctly (with the exception of the stepper).
Grand Symphonic Cavaillé-Coll: When stops are drawn on Grand Orgue they play on Grand Orgue and Positif; When stops are drawn on the Positif they play on the Positif and Recit (in both cases this is regardless of what keyboard those divisions are assigned to).
Gorlitz (where the Great is on the bottom and the Positiv is second) has this coupling:
Great and Positiv couple stops both ways
Swell and Positiv couple stops both ways.
Rotterdam (where the Great is on the second keyboard from the bottom and Positiv the bottom) has this coupling:
With Great Stops drawn
Swell and Great couple stops both ways
With Positiv stops drawn
Great and Positiv couple both ways.
No floating divisions are involved and this is without recording anything.
I also noticed that when I record in Reaper that instead of the vertical line graphs for expression your see in the picture of the Sonar track view, you just have “syx” for both expression and piston presses and even this does not always appear in the recordings.
If I have to switch to Reaper, I want to make sure that the recordings are of the same quality or better than that of Sonar and if it is possible I want to have recordings in Reaper look like the Sonar recordings in terms of Expression and Program Changes.
I don’t have enough knowledge to even ascertain if the problem is Hauptwerk or the Reaper/Sonar settings involved. If your would take a look at the pictures and let me know what to try I would be very grateful.
https://share.icloud.com/photos/0JC4z2f ... cLZzW8FGNw
Randy Mullin
I removed the MicroLite from the system and attempted to set up Hauptwerk and Sonar without it. (Sonar has changed quite a bit since the Hauptwerk tutorial was created.) Hauptwerk asked me if I wanted to permanently eliminate the MicroLite from my setup and I said “yes.” Neither Hauptwerk or Sonar ever crashed during this transition.
Hauptwerk (main program) works fine now and records and plays back MIDI without problems. (The problem is I need a MIDI editor from time to time, so I have to work with Sonar or Reaper.)
Now that I am almost ready to make another recording with a WAV created by Sonar (or Reaper) using the Grand Symphonic Cavaillé-Coll Extension, I am not able to get either program to operate properly. Here is what I have experienced so far.
Here is the computer setup: Thinkmate i7 6900K (128 Gbytes ram), Windows 10, with PCI-E RME AIO Hammerfall card/SPDIF out to Benchmark Headphone amp/Analog to Speaker amp. (No external MIDI devices (USB) are used in this setup.)
Hauptwerk 4.2.1.3
Sonar Professional 2017
Reaper 2019 (5.9.8.4) (was installed after I discovered problems with Sonar and Hauptwerk Alt. 1)
Hauptwerk Alt. 1, when set up like Hauptwerk (Main), works exactly like Hauptwerk Main does. (No problems recording or playing back.)
Hauptwerk Alt. 1 and Sonar (Using VST Link)
Haverhill: records and plays back correctly
Grand Symphonic Cavaillé-Coll: records notes and controllers/expression but does not play back anything other than tracker action noises.
Gorlitz records and plays back, but without expression and not all stops that are on a piston are heard (which are heard while making the recording.)
Rotterdam records and plays back, but has the same problem with stops that Gorlitz does.
Hauptwerk Alt 1 and Reaper (Using VST Link)
Haverhill, Gorlitz and Rotterdam (without recording), move the stepper in increments of 2 when the “next” piston is pressed. E.g., 000, 002, 004, 006, etc. (Sonar does not do this).
Haverhill:records and play back correctly (with the exception of the stepper).
Grand Symphonic Cavaillé-Coll: When stops are drawn on Grand Orgue they play on Grand Orgue and Positif; When stops are drawn on the Positif they play on the Positif and Recit (in both cases this is regardless of what keyboard those divisions are assigned to).
Gorlitz (where the Great is on the bottom and the Positiv is second) has this coupling:
Great and Positiv couple stops both ways
Swell and Positiv couple stops both ways.
Rotterdam (where the Great is on the second keyboard from the bottom and Positiv the bottom) has this coupling:
With Great Stops drawn
Swell and Great couple stops both ways
With Positiv stops drawn
Great and Positiv couple both ways.
No floating divisions are involved and this is without recording anything.
I also noticed that when I record in Reaper that instead of the vertical line graphs for expression your see in the picture of the Sonar track view, you just have “syx” for both expression and piston presses and even this does not always appear in the recordings.
If I have to switch to Reaper, I want to make sure that the recordings are of the same quality or better than that of Sonar and if it is possible I want to have recordings in Reaper look like the Sonar recordings in terms of Expression and Program Changes.
I don’t have enough knowledge to even ascertain if the problem is Hauptwerk or the Reaper/Sonar settings involved. If your would take a look at the pictures and let me know what to try I would be very grateful.
https://share.icloud.com/photos/0JC4z2f ... cLZzW8FGNw
Randy Mullin
Randall Mullin
Hauptwerk 4/Classic MidiWorks tutorial (http://www.randallmullin.com/Hauptwerk%20Experience.pdf)
Hauptwerk 4/Classic MidiWorks tutorial (http://www.randallmullin.com/Hauptwerk%20Experience.pdf)