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I'm looking for betatesters of new free sampleset

PostSat Jul 18, 2015 7:54 am

Hello,
I'm finishing this sample set:
http://piotrgrabowski.pl/cracov-john-cantius.html
It will be available for free, as usual.

However I don't have much free time and effort now, after countless hours of developing it. I'm looking for people who:
- have some free time and will play a lot on this instrument
- maybe have a lot of free time and will check every note of every stop
- know a bit how does multi-release samples work (this is important for me, because it would be nice if tester will tell me exactly which sample needs to be corrected)

Please contact me in private message.
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Re: I'm looking for betatesters of new free sampleset

PostSun Jul 19, 2015 11:25 am

puciak wrote: how does multi-release samples work


Could someone please tell where may I learn about this subject matter. I would like to collaborate with Piotr´s generous offer.
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Re: I'm looking for betatesters of new free sampleset

PostSun Jul 19, 2015 4:44 pm

I understand this, that every tone is sampled several times, depending on the tracker action like staccato, legato and so on.
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Re: I'm looking for betatesters of new free sampleset

PostMon Jul 20, 2015 1:53 pm

The end of the sound -what you can ear when you remove your finger from the key-
depends of the lengh of the note you've played.
This part of the sample is stored in a special folder :
The core of the sample, with the looping markers is in the main folder,
and the releases (last part of the sample) are in the subsequent folders.
Most often, for good quality modern virtual organs, there are 3 releases :
a long release, a medium release, and a short release (for staccato playing) .
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Re: I'm looking for betatesters of new free sampleset

PostMon Jul 20, 2015 3:14 pm

Multiple releases make a difference because you will hear just the amount of reverb that has built up during the key press. This would be very little for a staccato note and full reverb sound for a long key press. The release sounds are the decay sounds you would hear after you release a key or keys. It makes a big difference to have several release samples per note, especially when playing fast passages and especially if the organ has a noticeable reverb time.
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Re: I'm looking for betatesters of new free sampleset

PostMon Jul 20, 2015 8:12 pm

Thanks amigos.
So, does it mean then that an organ sampled wet with multiple releases will sound staccato when played staccato, and if disabled this function the staccato playing would sound harp-like or blurry'?
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Re: I'm looking for betatesters of new free sampleset

PostMon Jul 20, 2015 11:04 pm

You could describe it as harp-like I suppose. The one set I have which is wet with no multiple releases has an annoying ringing sound to my ears when playing a fast series of notes since the full reverb is playing for each and every note of the series and this wouldn't be true in real life as the notes in a rapid series would not have sounded long enough to have developed a real reverb after-sound. With staccato notes it just sounds wrong. With slower legato playing I don't notice it as much or perhaps at all. But I simple stopped using this organ very often since it just bothers me too much.
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Re: I'm looking for betatesters of new free sampleset

PostTue Jul 21, 2015 9:27 am

Actually it is not only the reverb that has built up, but (mainly for slower speaking pipes) the tone of the pipe itself. A bass pipe when played staccato will produce some sound, but the fundamental frequency may take much longer to develop, so you here mostly overtones. The full release however would contain the full fundamental and therefore sound very unnatural when applied to a staccato note, while the staccato release matches the development of the sound.

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PostTue Jul 21, 2015 10:26 am

Bottom line, in general given a wet sample with no multiple releases equals awful sound playing anything but slow music.
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Re: I'm looking for betatesters of new free sampleset

PostTue Jul 21, 2015 9:04 pm

Tricky this (trying to make organs) sound realistic business.

I've been practicing (for my niece's wedding) on a well maintained Aeolian-Skinner 28 ranker in a moderate reverb space. One can quickly get spoiled (the word is hooked) playing real pipes. Even if I could :lol: have those pipes at home, I know they wouldn't sound the same. It's the old story, the room is half the organ (sound).

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Re: I'm looking for betatesters of new free sampleset

PostThu Aug 06, 2015 8:42 am

"This sample set is currently under development.
Release date: August 2015"

I'm waiting patiently, because there are holidays in Germany and I have time enough for my organ and all the lovely samplesets. How much time you have left for your "release day"? :D

Best regards from the hot lake of Constance (today 26° C)

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Re: I'm looking for betatesters of new free sampleset

PostThu Aug 06, 2015 5:46 pm

Yes, indeed:

Another Sample Set in the french romantic tradition is MORE than welcome!!!

Further Greetings, from another side of the same LAKE CONSTANCE (Swiss Side/Amriswil)

Greetings Thomas
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Re: I'm looking for betatesters of new free sampleset

PostSat Aug 15, 2015 9:41 am

Hello,
I still haven't recorded some missing samples (key action noises), but I still hope I will do it in September and release sample set in the end of the month. It is not up to me.

I guess most of you will complain about the acoustics of the church in this sample set. Unfortunately it won't be good in terms of clarity and selectivity.
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