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Any sample sets of organs that Bach actually played?

PostFri Jan 29, 2016 9:05 am

I was just curious if there any samples of organs that Bach might have played. Being new to Hauptwerk samples I have not waded through all of them yet. To me this would be the coolest. Others would be Widor or Buxtehude or Vierne.
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Re: Any sample sets of organs that Bach actually played?

PostFri Jan 29, 2016 9:33 am

Yes, see http://www.organartmedia.com/trost. I can recommend it. Very beautiful sample set.
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Re: Any sample sets of organs that Bach actually played?

PostFri Jan 29, 2016 10:06 am

IIRC Notre Dame de Metz (longtime favorite set from MDA) was inaugurated by Widor.
https://www.milandigitalaudio.com/notre-dame-de-metz/
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Re: Any sample sets of organs that Bach actually played?

PostFri Jan 29, 2016 10:06 am

And if you like Vincent Lübeck's music, this was his organ:
http://www.organartmedia.com/hus-schnitger.
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Re: Any sample sets of organs that Bach actually played?

PostSun Jan 31, 2016 12:17 am

Some still surviving organs that Bach had played off of my head:
Hamburg Jacobi
Hamburg Katharenkirche (Reconstituted by Flentrop recently)
Trost in Altenberg
Trost in Walterhausen (OAM sample, but no actual records show that Bach played the organ. It's very possible, though, that he did test out the organ, as it was essentially Trost's Magnum opus.)
Weißenfels Schloss organ (Can't find further info on it)
Sonnenorgel (Sampled by SP, but only a few pipes are incorporated in a Romati-roque organ)
Arnstadt Bach-kirche (Also only a few pipes)
Luneburg Johanniskirche (The rennaisance organ that Bach played was converted, however, into a full-blown Baroque organ a few years after Bach left his lessons with Bohm, the organist)
Merseburg dom (quite a few stops incorporated in a spectacular and famous Romantic organ that Liszt later played)
Störmthal
Schlosskirche Harbke
Zschortau

Also possible:
Grasberg Schnitger
Cappel Schnitger (captured in a rather old sampleset)
Lubeck Jacobikirche's 2 organs - Buxtehude probably also walked down the street from the Marienkirche and played these too
The small positiv in Halle's Marktkirche


Out of these, the only ones I would particularly like to own a sample of are the first two and last two(But of course, for now these are rather extravagant pipedreams :( ) - you can probably see that my Bach organs of choice are huge Northern German ones, historically accurate or not.
Pardon this long post. I just like making lists :D

Edit: oops; I forgot the obvious one in Naumburg.
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Re: Any sample sets of organs that Bach actually played?

PostSun Jan 31, 2016 3:10 am

achenpigeon wrote:Weißenfels Schloss organ (Can't find further info on it).


There is information about this organ in an excellent book I recommend:
The organs of J.S.Bach. A handbook, by Christoph Wolff & Markus Zepf.

Weißenfels, Palace Church/Schlosskirche

1668–73, new organ (II/30; spring chests) by Christian Förner placed in the second (upper) balcony. Georg Friedrich Händel played the organ as a young man in 1693. 1839, new organ (II/17) placed in the Förner case by Johann Friedrich Schulze. 1945, war damage; 1983–85, new organ by Mitteldeutscher Orgelbau Voigt using the Förner disposition and retaining the original case.

Disposition 1673 (II/30)

Brustwerk (I)
Quintadehn 8'
Gedackt 8'
Principal 4'
Gedackt 4'
Quinta 3'
Sesquialtera [1 3/5']
Octav 2'
Mixtur III 1'
Krummhorn 8'
Schalmey 4'

Oberwerk (II)
Quintadehn 16'
Principal 8'
Grob-Gedackt 8'
Spitz-Flöt 8'
Octav 4'
Quinta 3'
Sesquialtera [1 3/5']
Octav 2'
Mixtur IV 2'
Fagott 16'
Trompet 8'

Pedal
Sub-Baß 16' (wood)
Principal 8'
Octav 4'
Quinta 3'
Octav 2'
Mixtur IV 2'
Posaunbaß 16'
Trompet 8'
Cornet 2'

Accessories: tremulant to the entire organ.
Coupler: manual coupler.
Compass: CD–c3 (manuals), CD–f1 (pedal).
Wind supply (1673): three bellows.
Pitch (1673): Chorton.
Pitch (1985): 440 Hz at 15 ̊.
Temperament (2000): slightly unequal.
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Re: Any sample sets of organs that Bach actually played?

PostSun Jan 31, 2016 4:22 am

monorganist wrote:
achenpigeon wrote:Weißenfels, Palace Church/Schlosskirche
Georg Friedrich Händel played the organ as a young man in 1693.

Händel was not a "young man" in 1693. He would have been EIGHT.
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Re: Any sample sets of organs that Bach actually played?

PostSun Jan 31, 2016 9:32 am

Händel was not a "young man" in 1693. He would have been EIGHT.

Yes. The book was written in German, and perhaps the translation of the original word is not accurate (I just copied the English text I have).
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Re: Any sample sets of organs that Bach actually played?

PostSun Jan 31, 2016 9:56 am

Interesting listing¡
achenpigeon wrote:Some still surviving organs that Bach had played off of my head:
...
Out of these, the only ones I would particularly like to own a sample of are the first two and last two(


I would give my vote to Luneburg Johanniskirche

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Re: Any sample sets of organs that Bach actually played?

PostSun Jan 31, 2016 2:10 pm

profeluisegarcia wrote:I would give my vote to Luneburg Johanniskirche


Theoretically, this would be the perfect organ, as it contains so many original Niehoff and Dropa pipes... but I don't think that the old Beckrath restorations are very well done, and would like it to be restored to it's former glory. Then, I would jump for a sampleset (Of which chances are probably still slim)
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Re: Any sample sets of organs that Bach actually played?

PostSat Feb 06, 2016 6:58 am

According to Sietze de Vries, if I'm not mistaken, the type of organ that Bach really preferred and loved, and later on missed, was the larger North-German organs, such as found in Hamburg's Katharinen or Nicolai kirchen.

His earlier works are so analogous in style to the Stilus Fantasticus that these organs bring to life so splendidly.

I have many Bach CDs recorded on the Martinikerk organ of Groningen, and this Groningen-North-German style instrument, fits his music extremely well. Any organists there recording Bach has no problem finding the right stop combinations.

So watch out for Bach recordings coming forth from the reconstructed St. Katharinene kirche in Hamburg (organ by Flentrop).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-ALVM9zOZM&list=PL4Ehj2lffkN-hNqg-QIlvCE9oFhfT3Ry3

http://allofbach.com/en/bwv/bwv-525/detail/

http://allofbach.com/en/bwv/bwv-572/detail/

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