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Possibility of Saint-Sulpice sample set?

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Possibility of Saint-Sulpice sample set?

Postby kkbzn » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:31 pm

Hi all.

I would like to ask you if a you know if anyone is ever going to make Hauptwerk sample of Saint-Sulpice organ in Paris?
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Postby telemanr » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:37 pm

One would think not. For a number of reasons. Ambient noise during recording, permission problems, huge size, and reverb time would mean simply huge RAM requirements. It just doesn't seem practical.
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Re: New

Postby dcitron » Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:06 pm

Also, Daniel Roth has famously said that there is only one St. Sulpice (meaning he will not allow it to be replicated via sampling).

One might suggest that the uniqueness of St. Suplice would be an argument in favor of allowing sampling (as a sort of virtual backup), but ...
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Re: New

Postby scottherbert » Mon Mar 13, 2017 5:25 pm

Didn't someone on here create a composite replica of St Sulpice?

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Postby dcitron » Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:41 am

I thought so too, once you mentioned it, but "all" I found was this: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=14379
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Re: Possibility of Saint-Sulpice sample set?

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Re: Possibility of Saint-Sulpice sample set?

Postby Arp » Tue Mar 14, 2017 6:17 am

Also, Daniel Roth has famously said that there is only one St. Sulpice (meaning he will not allow it to be replicated via sampling).

By the same reasoning we could not distribute reproductions of Leonardo's Mona Lisa, because the original is unique. That is musical fundamentalism
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Re: Possibility of Saint-Sulpice sample set?

Postby profeluisegarcia » Tue Mar 14, 2017 6:46 am

Hello KK:
I´ve seen in your posts that you are new -and welcome¡- to this dreamland of HW...Hinsz.... St. Sulpice... In my first encounter I even imagined that sampling an organ was as easy as taking a picture to the facade and record one instant each pipe... and that was all¡ Now I understand the complexity of this task and wonder how we have so many organs at our disposal, several Cavaille-Colls included.

Now I wish I would had had in that time an introductory book like Spencer´s:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=14329,

Also, please me tell you about another page full of interesting pictures and guidelines to make your project a reality:
http://www.pcorgan.com/index.html
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Re: New

Postby scottherbert » Tue Mar 14, 2017 9:08 am

dcitron wrote:I thought so too, once you mentioned it, but "all" I found was this: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=14379



Indeed, that is the very one! :D I thought St. Sulpice was in there, but instead it was Rouen, whoops. :oops:

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Re: New

Postby mkc1 » Fri Mar 24, 2017 1:31 pm

dcitron wrote:Also, Daniel Roth has famously said that there is only one St. Sulpice (meaning he will not allow it to be replicated via sampling).

With all due respect to Monsieur Roth, I wouldn't think it would be his decision to "allow" it or not....
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Re: New

Postby ReinerS » Fri Mar 24, 2017 2:16 pm

mkc1 wrote:
dcitron wrote:Also, Daniel Roth has famously said that there is only one St. Sulpice (meaning he will not allow it to be replicated via sampling).

With all due respect to Monsieur Roth, I wouldn't think it would be his decision to "allow" it or not....


While the final decision certainly lies with the parish as the owner of the church and instrument, I very much doubt they would decide against his wishes or his vote in this matter!
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Re: New

Postby mkc1 » Fri Mar 24, 2017 2:33 pm

ReinerS wrote:While the final decision certainly lies with the parish as the owner of the church and instrument...

My understanding is that the church and likely the instrument within it are owned by the civic authorities.

http://www.paris-with-a-parisian.com/2012/09/the-problem-with-french-churches/

You may well be correct about their reluctance to go against the wishes of M. Roth though.
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Re: Possibility of Saint-Sulpice sample set?

Postby dcitron » Mon Mar 27, 2017 11:23 am

I have heard from others who have tried, that any kind of note-by-note recording of St. Sulpice was forbidden (even setting up an audio recorder and "experimenting" with the organ). When I asked why, the second-hand quote that I got was that M. Roth had said "there is only one St. Sulpice" and that he was specifically against a virtual copy.

I've searched around through various correspondences and can't find it in writing, so it must have been either a face-to-face conversation that I had either when I toured the organ loft there, or a separate conversation I had with an organist who had been there.

I know, I know: citation needed :?
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