New Personal Editions

[Csaba Huszty]

Dear All,

I am happy to report the availability of two new editions of the Kispest and Matyas organs.

Kispest Personal Edition - $149 / 129 €

Significant changes and improvements were made on the Kispest organ following your suggestions.The new sample set comes with improved key responses, a wide stereo wet acoustic configuration out-of-the-box and single, carefully selected loops to save RAM. The Kispest Personal Edition has all the 38 stops of the romantic Rieger-Varga organ of Notre Dame de Kispest. Owners of the Professional Edition receives this new library free of charge.

How it sounds:
http://www.inspiredacoustics.com/upload ... rsonal.mp3

A completely new trial version for the Kispest organ was created, which can be downloaded from http://www.inspiredacoustics.com/downlo ... =15#t12s15

Matyas Personal Edition - $299 / 259 €

The Matyas Personal Edition is a wet, stereo, full-featured Hauptwerk 3 compatible sample set containing all 85-stops individually sampled from the Rieger-Kloss symphonic pipe organ. The sample set, which is part of the Professional Edition comes with multi-looped samples and among other features implements the Dynamic KeyboardMass™ functionality, which helps simulating the behavior and sound generation of the pipe organ keyboard and makes the playing experience more realistic. The Personal Edition is first available as a download and it can be loaded into a computer with 8 GB of RAM.

I hope you will enjoy these new releases!

[Martin C.]

What a good news, Csaba!

Can we expect one further step: something compatible with Hauptwerk Free Edition?

Martin

[Csaba Huszty]

Thank you, Martin!

Kispest Personal (and Pro) are indeed compatible with the Hauptwerk Free Edition, however, the RAM / Polyphony requirements are probably higher than what the Free Edition is capable of, so all the organ may not fit into there at once; there are just too many stops in these organs. Please try the Trial, it has almost the exact same RAM requirement as the Personal so you can see how it performs on your system.

[jcfelice88keys]

The 'silence' is deafening. Prices lowered, new demos uploaded to CBCH -- 262 listening hits to four pieces in three days -- zero commentary. Approximately one month ago, a Mendelssohn sonata was uploaded without explicitly stating IA. Numerous commentary (a few hundred hits) until one member states IA, then zero further commentary occurs in the next few weeks. Mendelssohn withdrawn by author after a few weeks of zero additional commentary. What are we afraid of, people?

Joe

[Palestrina]

Many weeks before, I've asked Csaba, to make demo files from the Matyas stereo wet available. Nothing happened. Another kind of Silence.

Josef, you play very well. My opinion. But what I can hear from the sample sets is simply bad. Not dry, but no room too, no "3D", no athmosphere. Sorry.

Silence is better.

[Csaba Huszty]

Palestrina, you may have missed the available demos on YouTube.

I am pretty sure that you will find something that will convince you if you take your time to look around.

If all what you hear sounds bad to you, maybe our next organ will please you. We will see.

[Palestrina]

Csaba

i have looked again on youtube.

But i cannot find there a demo of the WET STEREO Edition from Matyas.

I'm not interested to convolution reverb, sorry. The Matyas with
naturally Acoustic, this would be interesting
for me.

Do you have a Link for a Demo of the wet stereo?

[Mike 353]

I am downloading the trial version, and it is taking a long time. I note that it requires a dual core processor at the minimum, which a lot of us do not have. Also, this baby takes a olt of memory. I do not know if I can put it into a usable shape on my computer or not, but I am going to give it a try, as I have been looking for a good sample set to use for Romantic music.

[Fazioli]

Wet stereo, surround, quad or whatever, they sound all a little the same to me because the samples are the same on every single organ of the Matyas sample set You hear the same thing there is a bug in one of the principals 16' of the great manual, you hear this bug in every single Matyas version you load. I asked for an update and I'm still waiting for it The acoustics are bad an very unrealistic (not inspiring enough). The only way to make this sample set sound acceptable is by adding a very good reverb. Kispest is a little better but it does not sound as a very good quality organ in real live and again the acoustics are just bad. PAB is the best of all in my opinion and I really hope this quality, or better comes back in future..

[kkiiwwii]

To Csaba,
I have been examining the Matyas personal organ with view to purchase and have a couple of queries after reading everything I can from your website.
1. Which (if any) of the demos give a recording with the reverb that comes with the stereo samples as against most of which seem to have been augmented with additional reverb?.
2. - more complicated- It is not at all clear to me how the pistons would work. I have a touch screen, but prefer to use underkeyboard pistons and computer keyboard presses as well where possible as is less disruptive of watching the music when playing. From watching the youtubes I have guessed how the alphanumeric pistons work to the bottom left of screen (could I then use the 20 pistons under the Canadian keyboard, Half for letters and half for numbers?), but I cannot see the purpose of those on bottom right and cannot read them as they are too fuzzy in film. When we come to the console shot the ones on the left of pedals are couplers only and again to the right I am not sure what they do . Also how many of all these are generals as against divisionals? Is it possible to download say the instruction manual to see if they will all work in the way I want to use it before I commit myself to purchase?
The huge download is a bit off-putting. From experience here in NZ with the Salisbury it will take me about 2 weeks- however I am prepared to do that - it is an impressive organ
Hopefully my query will be of value to others as well
Charles Seppings

[PeterD]

Hello Csaba

Just some thoughts about Mathias samples..and to a degree a response to Joe's post about the lack of reaction to what ought to be one of the best value sample sets in HW.

The event that first got me interested in the Virtual Organ world was listening to NDB demo's which were and still are a standard to aspire to. I had a great hopes that the Hauptwerk version would be that good, particularly in respect of the acoustics of Mathias church. It was a little disapointing to hear that
( from IA wiki)
"During the 2009 recording sessions, the church acoustic was partially damped due to the major inner reconstruction work occuring in the cathedral (the RT30 reverberation time was in average 3% shorter). The original, intact pristine acoustics however, was successfully and carefully captured before the renovation has started, and is available as impulse responses for convolution reverberation "

There's no doubt that with impulse response added that the sounds are improved, but for me and I suspect a large part of the HW market is for organs that play "out of the box" rather than the complications of VST and added reverb. Whilst the effects on PAB were transformational, (in the sense it's now better than the "real" acoustic) and no doubt further refinement with added reverb will bring Mathias closer to the original... well its complicated to achieve it for those without the technical skills. That I suspect is the reason there isn't a more positive response.

Additionally rather like the kkiiwwii, the registration looks very complicated and there seems to be no information on how that works, certainly doesn't appear to be an organ you can pull a few stops and play.

At the end of the day ( albeit simply as a listener rather than a musician) as I'm still left with a clear difference between NDB and the Hauptwerk version of Mathias. - the demo's for NDB are still much more convincing than the those for HW, despite Joe's superior technique and musicianship.The Listz B.A.C.H is still a benchmark in the virtual organ world.
http://www.orgona.org/e_demo.php

If the HW version sounded like that "out of the box" I think I'd be in a long queue to buy it,

Last word from Jean-Louis Coignet

When you are listening
to an organ, what do you listen for?

I listen first to the overall effect, as a layman
just experiencing the emotion. After
this, I analyze the effect and refinement of
the various stops and ensembles Too many
organs sound like a collection of stops put together.
Sometimes a nearly perfect organ is
still not attractive becauseit has no fire. and.
on the other hand. an organ may be far from
perfect, but exciting to hear because it has
fire

Full article here

http://www.casavant.ca/new_temp/pdf/9.pdf

Best Wishes

Peter

[Csaba Huszty]

Dear All,

I understand what you mean and respect all your opinions. I also think similarly in many respects, but differently in other respects.

First of all, to check the sound of the Matyas Personal Edition in person (no pun intended), a Trial Edition is now available here:

http://www.inspiredacoustics.com/downloads.php#t12s16

Matyas Personal Trial limitations:
- Compass: pedal compass is limited to the lowest octave (keys 36/C2 to 48/C3), manual compass limited to the lowest 3 octaves (36/C2 to 72/C5).
- 49 stops included: all stops of the Pedal, I. Manual and II. Manual, and stops 49 to 56 (mixtures and reeds) on the III. Manual.
- Time limitation: the same as in all other trials.

Download size: 9.2 GB, RAM requirement in default 16-bit mode for all the 49 stops: 4.25 GB.

It is encoded to be compatible with the Free Edition of Hauptwerk.

All samples in all full Matyas editions are different; this is why they do not share their installation data. The organ and the recording event was the same, indeed.

The condition of the Matyas organ has changed since the NDB recording, the organ was dismantled to restoration right after our recording. Due to this, we recorded the instrument slightly more dry than the original NDB sample set was made, mainly to be able to support technically the creation of a stop-by-stop sample set. The recording was made quite far from the organ case, but not in the church nave. I expect that we will be able to recreate the sound that you hear in the original NDB demos after the restoration of the Matyas organ has finished.

Until then, I think the current sample set faithfully recreates the sound we experienced there, which is also confirmed by people who know the real organ first hand. Matyas can be liked or disliked in its current sample set form for sure, I respect that.

But in my opinion, the current sample set should be respected as it is. It provides access to a historically important state of the instrument and I am sure many of you will like its sound. The restoration will bring the organ into a new life, and we plan to be present when it is born.

As for my own subjective opinion, I enjoy playing the Matyas Personal, it pretty well performs on my aging notebook computer as well, and I still feel like being there. It is intentionally a different sound from what can be heard on a commercial CD recording, but you can easily achieve that CD-sound with additional reverb, at your own taste. For those fellows who seek the CD sound, I do recommend experimenting with additional convolution. This experimentation will be a more and more easy process requiring no technical skills at all, as time progresses. Actually, convolution reverb has the great merit of lowering the RAM requirements, because as you know, much of the RAM footprint of a new sample set is taken by the multiple layers of release samples.

The bug for the Principal 16’ was corrected on 21 February, 2010. Please install the package LATEST_MATYAS_PRO_*.CompPkg.Hauptwerk.rar, where * stands for the name of the edition you are updating (e.g. ’Adjustable’, ’Quad’, etc).

The Matyas console is not so difficult to operate, but at a first glance it may indeed look more complicated than a 40 stop baroque organ with drawbars. On the Matyas console, the buttons in the bottom right on the center screen (with the reed stop labels on it) represent the original functionality in the organ, to temporarily disable a single reed stop, one-by-one. The feature was reproduced for authenticity of the preservation project.

As for the built-in sequencer of the Matyas organ, the sequencer works with numbers as banks and letters as frames. For example, after the frame 20A comes: 20B, then 20C. After 20H comes 21A. It again works like in the original organ. If the letters and the numbers, as well as the Set, the < and > (frame decrement / increment buttons) are assigned to a console, I think it is easy to navigate and use the built-in combination action.

The full instruction manuals with the descriptions on how to operate these consoles, for all IA products are available for download, located in a convenient, centralized space for a long time. It is continuously being updated with the latest versions following your feedback. To access, please sign up for an account at the IA website, log in and visit the User Manual webpage where you can find all the manuals in PDF:

https://www.inspiredacoustics.com/u_con ... e=umanuals

Huge downloads: I have no experience with other servers, but the IA downloads are pretty fast. If your connection is capable and the way to the server is not slowed down by a small switch or router and you use a quality FTP client such as FileZilla to download, you can get the libraries fast.

[gingercat]

First of all, to check the sound of the Matyas Personal Edition in person (no pun intended), a Trial Edition is now available here:
http://www.inspiredacoustics.com/downloads.php#t12s16

I think most users would prefer if you could just link directly to some (multiply requested) demos of the wet stereo Matyas set. 3.8MB is much preferable to 3.8GB! I think that restricting the manual compass to the lowest 3 octaves in the trial version is going to make it very difficult for anyone to usefully evaluate any sample set.

[jcfelice88keys]

I think most users would prefer if you could just link directly to some (multiply requested) demos of the wet stereo Matyas set.

The Contrebombarde Concert Hall contains two mp3 files of the Matyas WET samples: 1) Reeds -- Handel's Awake the Trumpet's Lofty Sound; 2) Flues -- individual stops and 2-stop combinations representing the instrument's five manuals -- Couperin's Leggiero e Delicato.


In each case, the sound is exactly as heard as it comes out-of-the-box: zero equalization was used; the acoustics that you hear are the original full wet releases.

Entire pieces are forthcoming.

Cheers,

Joe

[Fazioli]

All samples in all full Matyas editions are different; this is why they do not share their installation data. The organ and the recording event was the same, indeed.

One thing I don't understand is, if the samples of every edition are indeed different, how it is possible that the sound bug, heard in two notes of the great principal 16' (before the update, sorry I missed them) where present in each one of them? btw. I installed the update and now they are fine, thanks for that.