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Dom Bedos Organ Model for Hauptwerk released

Postby zurek » Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:23 am

Sonus Paradsisi released new sample set Dom Bédos Organ model. The instrument itself was built by Bartolomeo Formentelli in 2007 following meticuously the recipe of Dom Bédos (L'Art du Facteur d'Orgues). The benedictine monk gave very precise and detailed instructions on all the procedures concerning the construction of the organ. Following his guidelines exactly should therefore result in an instrument which - although modern - should have all the qualities of the Dom Bédos work, almost as if he would build it himself. This organ allows us to physically "touch" and experience the Dom Bédos organbuilding ideas.

The result is trully magnificent and surprising. The most striking feature is the voicing of the flue pipes: the timbre is dominated by an extraordinary expressive chiff and also the steady portion of the tone is pushed on the edge of the pipe speech stability with rather strong presence of the hiss of air passing through the pipe mouth - all this contributing to the unusually light and harmonically rich tone color. The pipe speech is also very quick and precisely following the touch.

Erik Simmons, one of the beta testers of the sample set, summarized his experience with the virtual instrument: "The first thing that strikes me is the absolutely perfect recording position. The balance of direct sound and room is terrific - perhaps the very best yet. All the stops are in such great shape. This organ is «fast». It must be what St. Maximin was like when it was two years old with a fresh key action and new pipework."


More info:
http://www.sonusparadisi.cz/organs/bedos/history.0.asp
http://www.sonusparadisi.cz/organs/bedo ... hots.0.asp

Stop list:
http://www.sonusparadisi.cz/organs/bedo ... tion.0.asp

Demo performance:
http://www.sonusparadisi.cz/organs/bedos/demos.0.asp

Orders:
http://www.sonusparadisi.cz/organs/bedos/order.0.asp

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You may check also our latest Ruckers Harpsichord Model:
http://www.hauptwerk.cz/cembaloRuckers/index.html
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Re: Dom Bedos Organ Model for Hauptwerk released

Postby micdev » Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:51 am

At last available.. :wink:

A wonderful instrument to discover... a French classic with an Italian taste!.
I had the chance to beta-test it and if you're interested, you can read my very amateur review.

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Re: Dom Bedos Organ Model for Hauptwerk released

Postby sesquialtera » Wed Nov 09, 2011 12:27 pm

It won't be easy to choose betwwen this one and St Maximin !! :wink:
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Re: Dom Bedos Organ Model for Hauptwerk released

Postby micdev » Wed Nov 09, 2011 1:52 pm

sesquialtera wrote:It won't be easy to choose betwwen this one and St Maximin !!


Get both :mrgreen:

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Re: Dom Bedos Organ Model for Hauptwerk released

Postby Hoofdwerk » Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:19 pm

It's not an easy choice. One difference to consider is the larger Resonnance manual at St. Maximin versus the Echo division on the Bedos. Beyond that, there are many parallels in specification and sound. Both are very enjoyable and educational to play. Both balance the needs of playing and listening well (though the recording position on the Bedos is really remarkable to me).

A nice feature that has not been emphasized yet is that the Echo compass reaches down to second C rather than stopping at second G or treble C. This enables that manual to be used in a lot of music where you would normally run out of notes on an Echo manual. Also, the Recit extends down to G below treble C, whereas many Recits are treble only (St. Michel, for example, has Recit to treble C, and Echo to G below). This added compass is quite handy.

At St. Maximin, the Resonnance is full-compass, so running out of low notes is not a problem. But there is no effective echo division per se, rather you have to use the Resonnance Flutte by itself or something. And you get the expanded organ definition file with Maximin, where the Bedos is exactly as it is, no extensions anywhere. But that is fine with me...

I also enjoy the contra-La in the Bedos pedal reeds that plays on low C#. I've always wanted one of those :wink: , as called for in pieces like the Daquin Noel Suisse and some Marchand. I added it in a few spots in the demos at CCH. I hope Nivers would not object.

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Re: Dom Bedos Organ Model for Hauptwerk released

Postby micdev » Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:19 am

Erik,

Very informative comments about the the Echo and Resonnance and the differences between the Bedos and St-Maximin. Someone needs to fully understand the organ repertoire to be played on this kind of organ for such analysis... you sure know your sturff. :lol:

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Re: Dom Bedos Organ Model for Hauptwerk released

Postby grobgedackt » Thu Nov 10, 2011 3:47 pm

micdev wrote:
sesquialtera wrote:It won't be easy to choose betwwen this one and St Maximin !!


Get both :mrgreen:

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I already have St.Maximin, but I had to have this new organ, because of Bartolomeo Formentelli, who is the greatest organ builder of our time. I visited his Millenium organ in S.Maria degli Angeli in Rome (twice), and was almost blown away by the richness of sound, forgetting that the church was closing while the organist still played an improvisation. I (and a handfull of other organ addicted) was chased out by the parish priest (in person !) - which made me really mad.
So this Dom Bedos / Formentelli organ is a MUST HAVE for me. Placed my order yesterday.
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Re: Dom Bedos Organ Model for Hauptwerk released

Postby gecko » Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:21 pm

One difference is that the grand orgue on the St Maximin has only a grand tierce 3 1/5 without a regular tierce at 1 3/5, meaning that all the tierce registrations there have to be based on a 16' pitch. This is obviously characteristic of the late 18th-century esthetic (thicker textures, etc., than previously), and probably implies that a lot of other registrations should be based on the 16' as well. It's not what composers from earlier in the century would have had in mind. The Dom Bedos organ looks, on paper at least, to be rather more flexible, at least if your interest is in the earlier composers.
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Re: Dom Bedos Organ Model for Hauptwerk released

Postby sipirc » Sat Nov 12, 2011 3:23 am

Erik, what about the 'en ravalement' bottom B pedal note in the middle movement of Bach's Fantasia in G? An exception, but Dom Bedos would surely have an answer to that! :wink:
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Re: Dom Bedos Organ Model for Hauptwerk released

Postby bourdon » Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:49 am

Well, yes, this is the charm ( and sometimes the problem ) with these organs : we have sometimes to "rack" our brains to try to be creative and find an altogether not too bad solution!... As for the JSB g fantasia, you had of course thought of simply playing the c# (and the following e in one case ,and following d in the other case ),an octave higher , which is not too bad because the bass in the pedal doesn't overlap the hands .

By the way, speaking of historical features, have you tried playing the following fugue with a "pedalier a la francaise " : just fun the first time !

As to a different matter, I profit of this post to ask wether Jiri is going to deliver a trial set ?
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Re: Dom Bedos Organ Model for Hauptwerk released

Postby zurek » Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:50 am

In answer to many private requests, I have decided to publish a small DEMO sample set of Dom Bédos/Formentelli Organ Model. It can be downloaded from the usual location:

http://www.sonusparadisi.cz/downloads.0.asp

Also, I have published a patch to the full version od Dom Bédos sample set. THere was an ugly aesthetic bug left in the ODF of the first release: the positiv stops on the Left and Right Jambs appeared twice. The patch corrected this issue (together with a minor issue in the rear rank of the Echo Bourdon).

http://www.sonusparadisi.cz/organs/Bedos/updates.0.asp
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Re: Dom Bedos Organ Model for Hauptwerk released

Postby Buluca » Thu Apr 25, 2013 5:47 pm

Hi, sorry for my English, I wanted to ask to the experts of this forum if it is possible to load the sample set of Dom Bedos with just 8 gb of ram, but in reality with less than 6.8 gb real!! is it possible? :shock:
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Re: Dom Bedos Organ Model for Hauptwerk released

Postby zurek » Fri Apr 26, 2013 2:38 am

The RAM requirements to load the full set are listed on the Dom Bedos sample set pages. If you have less RAM than needed, you can always load a subset. That means, you can mute some less important stops or mute entire divisions which you intend not to use. In this way you can load at least a selection of stops of the sample set into the limited amount of RAM.
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Re: Dom Bedos Organ Model for Hauptwerk released

Postby Buluca » Fri Apr 26, 2013 7:22 am

I don't understand a technical thing: in "multiple sample loops" if I load not "all realism" but "load only first..." how much RAM do I need? I don't thing 7,2 GB as you write in the "features section" of the organ.
7,2 gb of ram are needed with "all realism" active or if I select "load only first ..." I can load the sample set with less than 7,2 gb without having to remove registers?
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Re: Dom Bedos Organ Model for Hauptwerk released

Postby profeluisegarcia » Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:53 am

Buluca wrote:I don't understand a technical thing: in "multiple sample loops" if I load not "all realism" but "load only first..." how much RAM do I need? I don't thing 7,2 GB as you write in the "features section" of the organ.***
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Hello Buluca:
"Short treatise on packing big organs in reduced RAM"

(Sources from Francois (Micdev), the HW Manual and other forgotten ones).

1. Experimenting with disabling multiple loops* loading only the first loop for the least frequently-used or least prominent ranks. Multiple loops are only really beneficial for notes that are sustained for more than 2-3 seconds, so in practice disabling them probably won't lose much realism. Or perhaps just keep them enabled for the Pedal ranks, since pedals are often played sustained for longer than manual keys.

2. Of course only load the front channels (not the rear ones as Zurek well explains )

3. Pedal division (especially the 32’, 16’ and 8’ can be load at 16-bit and even in mono (cutting in half the memory needed). Since Hauptwerk will automatically simulate stereo, this is a trick to save memory.

4. We can load some 16’ and stops used less frequently on the keyboards at 16 bit mono also**. The stops that get the most benefit (sound improvement) are usually the higher pitch one. So 2’, mutations, mixture should be load at 20bits in priority

5. Blower noise, key tracker noises etc can be disabled, not loaded.

6. Cutting the reverb tail will also free some memory, but we will first need to try to load with the full tail.


*Multiple loops allow more of the fully recorded pipe samples to sound. Hauptwerk will randomly choose different loop points each time so that you will never have a similar sounding length of a note. If you need to save memory you can disable multiple loops and Hauptwerk will only load the first loop point, thus saving memory options. The loops in our samples are undetectable so even with single loops you will still get very excellent results. More loops just means more randomization while holding long notes as the original pipe sample recording can be fairly long, this way you get to hear more of the pipe rather than having it loop after a few seconds.
** 16-bits is not that bad; while there is a difference between 16-20 and 24-bits, in real life, it can be pretty hard to hear the difference when you don’t know at what resolution a set is loaded.

CONSOLATION NOTE: I´m surre I will pass away ignoring most technicalities of this HW powerful program :(
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