A couple of years ago, the man who went on to become my organ teacher invited me to attend a "hymn sing". He showed up to a church, sat down at a piano, opened a typical four-part hymnal, and asked anyone in the audience to call out favorite hymn numbers for him to play as everyone sang along. From the banter in between songs, I gathered that there were some hymns he had never played or even heard before. I was very impressed to see him nail each hymn PERFECTLY, even the ones he had never heard or played before.
I've spent the last year (okay, three) learning the basics on the piano and I'm now trying to get serious about the organ using Hauptwerk and an old (but MIDI) Rodgers organ. We just used the piano as a learning tool.
My teacher is thoroughly skilled on the organ, too, and has taught a few people to transition from the piano to the organ using the Flor Peeters books. The Peeters books heavily emphasize perfect legato using "rules" of when to lift off a note to create a gap and when to legato a note into the next note. I'm not using the Peeters books, but my teacher is trying to drum into me the rules of getting a perfect organ sound and not the sound of a pianist playing the organ. ie, You can't lift off the notes on the organ like you do on the piano. The organ is a completely different discipline.
So now I have some common four-part hymns on the music stand and I can sight-read them maybe 85% correctly on the piano. A few days work and I can play simple hymns without errors. Of course, the piano has the sustain pedal and allows me to lift my hands and reposition them however I want to hit the next four-note chord. The same obviously doesn't work on an organ. Meticulous fingering is necessary to have the fingers always available to legato into the next notes (unless there's a break or a repeated note or phrase ending).
I made the comment to my teacher, "I'm going to work my butt off until I can do on the organ what you did on the piano at that hymn sing." ie, I don't want to emphasize a limited "repertoire" of organ hymns. I want to be able to open a hymnal in any church and be able to play four-part hymns perfectly from sight.
He surprised me with the answer, "That will never happen. You can arrive at that point on the piano because of the sustain pedal, which will get you out of a lot of fingering dilemmas. But on the organ, you need to take each hymn and write in some fingering notes IN ADVANCE."
I said, "What about so-and-so ... (a locally famous lady at a big organ church who grew up on the organ, has her doctorate in organ studies, and has played organ professionally all her adult life and gives big concerts, etc.) ...?"
He said, "Even her. I'm willing to bet even she can't take a hymnal and play unfamiliar four-part hymns if she hasn't already learned them and fingered out the tricky spots in advance."
I wanted to ask this of the forum. Is that true in all cases? Do advanced organists - even organists who might be exceptional at sight-reading on the piano - still need to practice hymns and work out fingering in advance?
Or can an organist get to the point in his skills where the logic of fingering is so deeply conditioned into the subconscious that playing an unfamiliar four-part hymn at full tempo is do-able?
I've spent the last year (okay, three) learning the basics on the piano and I'm now trying to get serious about the organ using Hauptwerk and an old (but MIDI) Rodgers organ. We just used the piano as a learning tool.
My teacher is thoroughly skilled on the organ, too, and has taught a few people to transition from the piano to the organ using the Flor Peeters books. The Peeters books heavily emphasize perfect legato using "rules" of when to lift off a note to create a gap and when to legato a note into the next note. I'm not using the Peeters books, but my teacher is trying to drum into me the rules of getting a perfect organ sound and not the sound of a pianist playing the organ. ie, You can't lift off the notes on the organ like you do on the piano. The organ is a completely different discipline.
So now I have some common four-part hymns on the music stand and I can sight-read them maybe 85% correctly on the piano. A few days work and I can play simple hymns without errors. Of course, the piano has the sustain pedal and allows me to lift my hands and reposition them however I want to hit the next four-note chord. The same obviously doesn't work on an organ. Meticulous fingering is necessary to have the fingers always available to legato into the next notes (unless there's a break or a repeated note or phrase ending).
I made the comment to my teacher, "I'm going to work my butt off until I can do on the organ what you did on the piano at that hymn sing." ie, I don't want to emphasize a limited "repertoire" of organ hymns. I want to be able to open a hymnal in any church and be able to play four-part hymns perfectly from sight.
He surprised me with the answer, "That will never happen. You can arrive at that point on the piano because of the sustain pedal, which will get you out of a lot of fingering dilemmas. But on the organ, you need to take each hymn and write in some fingering notes IN ADVANCE."
I said, "What about so-and-so ... (a locally famous lady at a big organ church who grew up on the organ, has her doctorate in organ studies, and has played organ professionally all her adult life and gives big concerts, etc.) ...?"
He said, "Even her. I'm willing to bet even she can't take a hymnal and play unfamiliar four-part hymns if she hasn't already learned them and fingered out the tricky spots in advance."
I wanted to ask this of the forum. Is that true in all cases? Do advanced organists - even organists who might be exceptional at sight-reading on the piano - still need to practice hymns and work out fingering in advance?
Or can an organist get to the point in his skills where the logic of fingering is so deeply conditioned into the subconscious that playing an unfamiliar four-part hymn at full tempo is do-able?