It is currently Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:03 pm


New PC questions....

A discussion forum for anything even marginally Hauptwerk-related.
  • Author
  • Message
Offline

DJ

Member

  • Posts: 4
  • Joined: Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:56 am
  • Location: London

New PC questions....

PostTue Apr 22, 2008 4:00 pm

Dear Members,

I'm planning on buying a new PC to use specifically for Hauptwerk and I've found a company (www.pcspecialist.co.uk) that custom build computers. From what I've read on the HW website regarding PC prerequistes I've come up with the following spec (below) and I wonder if any of you could offer me your advice (and tell me if I'm making any mistakes!) and what sound card I ought to use.

My concerns are as follows-

1) I'm not sure if the motherboard is suitable
2) I don't know if the RAM is the correct type (they also have Corsair XMS 800 MHz)
3) Is Vista better than XP? (I seem to remember reading somewhere that vista can't 'read' more than 3.5GB)
4) Not sure if the graphics card and memory card reader are ok?
5) Should I dispense with the on board sound card, as I'll be using an audio interface anyway?

Many thanks in advance for your help and opinions

David Johnson



Processor (CPU) Intel® Core™2 Quad Q6700 (4 X 2.66GHz) 1066MHz FSB/8MB L2 Cache

Memory (RAM) 8GB CORSAIR DDR2 667MHz - (4x2GB)

Motherboard ASUS® P5K SE: DDR2, SATAII, PCI-e x16, 2 PCI, 3 x PCI-e x1

Operating System 64 BIT WINDOWS® VISTA HOME PREM SP1

USB Options 8 x USB 2.0 PORTS (6 REAR + 2 FRONT) AS STANDARD

Memory - 1st Hard Disk 500GB SERIAL ATA II HARD DRIVE WITH 16MB CACHE (7200rpm)

2nd Hard Disk NONE

1st CD/DVD Drive 20x Dual Layer LightScribe DVD Writer ±R/±RW/RAM

2nd CD/DVD Drive NONE

Graphics Card 512MB GEFORCE 8400GS PCI Express + DVI + TV-OUT

2nd Graphics Card NONE

Sound Card 8 Channel Realtek ALC883 High Definition Audio (P5K-SE)

Modem NONE

Network Facilities ONBOARD 10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT

Floppy Disk Drive NONE

Memory Card Reader INTERNAL 52 IN 1 CARD READER (READS XD, MS, CF, SD, etc)

Case Aluminium Trigon Case + 2 Front/Side USB

Power Supply & Case Cooling 800W Quiet Quad Rail PSU + 120mm Case Fan

Processor Cooling ASUS SILENT KNIGHT II PURE COPPER ULTRA COOLER
Offline
User avatar

Stefanussen

Member

  • Posts: 922
  • Joined: Mon May 29, 2006 1:55 am
  • Location: Salt Lake City, UT

PostTue Apr 22, 2008 4:19 pm

HI DJ,

I'm using a setup very similar to your own. I also decided to go with Vista x64. x64 so I could use all 8gb of ram and Vista because I heard that Vista x64 has better support than XP x64.

Graphics card and memory card reader are pretty much irrelevant for a HW setup.

Your motherboard is fine; ideally, a Hauptwerk setup would use a server motherboard. A server motherboard usually uses dual CPUs using a different socket. They also generally allow for up to 32 gb RAM instead of 8 gb. The only catch is, of course, that such a setup is generally more expensive.

Bottom line is that your setup looks pretty good, again, very similar to what I've been using with excellent results. Not the ultimate HW monster rig, but should definitely cut it. I haven't run into any polyphony issues unless I draw every stop on the Metz, engage every coupler, and then play the end of the Boellman Toccata super fast. (And I'm using a E6750, which is a dual core CPU, not quad like you have in your config)

Hope this helps!
Offline
User avatar

mdyde

Moderator

  • Posts: 12591
  • Joined: Fri Mar 14, 2003 1:19 pm
  • Location: UK

PostTue Apr 22, 2008 4:27 pm

Hello David,

A few very brief thoughts:

- CPU: Fine. Should give excellent performance.

- OS: Either of Vista or XP are fine, provided that you get the 64-bit versions. 64-bit Vista/XP can both use 8 GB of memory with no problem.

- Memory: Corsair are generally high-regarded, I believe. 8 GB is ideal. If ECC is an option for the motherboard I personally would opt for ECC since it should make for a slightly more stable system, especially with large amounts of memory. 800 MHz memory should theoretically give slightly higher performance, but all benchmarks that we've done have been with 667 MHz memory.

- Motherboard and graphics card: We haven't tested those models, so I can't comment usefully. However, I know of no reason that shouldn't be fine.

- Sound card: I'd strongly recommend getting an audio/MIDI interface from our list of recommended interfaces since that's probably the most critical part of the system. If there's an option not to have the default sound card that comes with the PC, then don't bother it. If you have the onboard audio, then disable it in the BIOS and/or don't install it.
Best regards, Martin.
Hauptwerk software designer/developer, Milan Digital Audio.
Offline

DJ

Member

  • Posts: 4
  • Joined: Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:56 am
  • Location: London

PostTue Apr 22, 2008 4:37 pm

Thanks for your replies!

I'm not sure what ECC is however....
Offline
User avatar

mdyde

Moderator

  • Posts: 12591
  • Joined: Fri Mar 14, 2003 1:19 pm
  • Location: UK

PostTue Apr 22, 2008 4:42 pm

ECC = error checking and correcting. Occasional memory bit corruptions are a fact of life (cosmic rays etc.) and ECC reduces the likelihood that they will have any effect (e.g. cause a computer crash) when they occur.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECC_memory ... ing_memory
Best regards, Martin.
Hauptwerk software designer/developer, Milan Digital Audio.
Offline

Sander

Member

  • Posts: 418
  • Joined: Sun Oct 07, 2007 5:08 pm
  • Location: Assen, NL

PostTue Apr 22, 2008 6:04 pm

I'm building a similar system, but I have chosen the Q6600 quad core processor, since it saves me 40 EURO's and I dont think I need the extra speed sometime soon. I also go for 2 equal harddrives in a RAID1 setup, for faster loading of data sets. (I don't think your motherboard can do that though). And I would recommend using 800 MHz memory. You may need feel the difference now, but one day you will, and it won't cost you much extra.
Offline
User avatar

giovdan

Member

  • Posts: 142
  • Joined: Sat Sep 29, 2007 5:09 pm
  • Location: Varese, Italy

PostWed Apr 23, 2008 12:51 am

I use Q6600 to and it works very well with my ASUS P5K and Vista 64!
Offline

BarryG

Member

  • Posts: 316
  • Joined: Mon Apr 30, 2007 8:52 am
  • Location: USA, MA, Bolton

PostWed Apr 23, 2008 7:47 am

I don't see mention of monitor(s). Bigger is better in general, depending on how much space you have. Consider touchscreen, either built-in or as add-on kit -- I just got an add-on and it does add to the ease of setting stops and such. Consider whether you may want two monitors initially or in future, and if so be sure the graphics card will support them. I've read on the forum before that RAID 1 can significantly improve sample set load times -- mine is RAID-less and takes about 2-1/2 minutes to load, which I find just a little much, especially if wanting to switch organs -- so consider another hard drive and implementing RAID 1. (When I upgrade to Vista64 I may also implement RAID 1.)

(I have Q6600, a little different ASUS montherboard, 4GB memory and running XP32; polyphony tests in the 5500 range -- haven't run out of gas with either the Skinner or Metz sample.)

Barry Gerken
Offline

jo

Member

  • Posts: 74
  • Joined: Tue Aug 24, 2004 1:28 am
  • Location: France

PostWed Apr 23, 2008 9:57 am

I read Raid 1 is improving loading time. I believe it's raid 0 which does this (raid 1 mirrors the 1st disk on the 2nd).

jocelyn
Offline
User avatar

mdyde

Moderator

  • Posts: 12591
  • Joined: Fri Mar 14, 2003 1:19 pm
  • Location: UK

PostWed Apr 23, 2008 10:00 am

Hello Jocelyn,

With a good RAID controller RAID 1 can also theoretically double read-performance since one drive can be reading one chunk of the file whilst the other reads the next chunk simultaneously.
Best regards, Martin.
Hauptwerk software designer/developer, Milan Digital Audio.
Offline

eajohnson

Member

  • Posts: 244
  • Joined: Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:01 pm
  • Location: Richland WA, USA

PostWed Apr 23, 2008 12:41 pm

Hi David
Just my two cents, I just upgraded my computer and went with Vista 64 bit and it works very nicely. I have an EMU card and EMU's new drivers work very well. I have 8 gig of memory and sees and uses all. Also, at least from online sources, 800 memory isn't any more expensive (and in a few cases can be found cheaper!) than 667 memory, so I went for that.

After upgrading I have over 5 times the polyphony as before (my old setup only gave me 500!), and I've found the sound quality to be much more open and realistic on the larger sample sets--it makes a difference!

BTW, saw the first 4 gig memory sticks offered on my favorite online store yesterday......a little over 300 bucks each! 4 gigs on two sticks was less than 70. Won't try those until the price comes down a bit.

Have fun--

Eric
Owner of an old Schober homebuilt, midified and Hauptwerkified.
Offline

DJ

Member

  • Posts: 4
  • Joined: Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:56 am
  • Location: London

PostThu Apr 24, 2008 9:38 am

Thanks for all your advice!
I'm planning on getting the E-MU 1616 sound card - as the 1212 and 1820 that are suggested on the prerequisites page are no longer available (BTW can anyone tell me the difference between the 1616 and the 1616M?)

David
Offline
User avatar

mdyde

Moderator

  • Posts: 12591
  • Joined: Fri Mar 14, 2003 1:19 pm
  • Location: UK

PostThu Apr 24, 2008 9:40 am

Hello David,

I understand that the 'M' models have considerably higher quality DACs, i.e. noticeably higher quality. Hence it's probably worth getting the 'M' version.
Best regards, Martin.
Hauptwerk software designer/developer, Milan Digital Audio.
Offline
User avatar

pwhodges

Member

  • Posts: 824
  • Joined: Wed Dec 15, 2004 11:08 am
  • Location: UK, Oxford

PostThu Apr 24, 2008 11:31 am

The 1212M is also available, though it changed slightly with no change in model number when it was made RoHS compliant (there was never a non-M version of the 1212M)

Paul
Offline

Marius

Member

  • Posts: 7
  • Joined: Wed Apr 02, 2008 4:42 am
  • Location: The Netherlands

Some recommendations...

PostThu Apr 24, 2008 1:27 pm

I have some recommendations for a quiet computer:

1. A nice, quiet and affordable enclosure is Antec Sonata Family (sound-deadening side panels)
http://www.antec.com/us/pro_en_sonatafamily.php

2. Choose a graphics card with passive cooling like the Asus EN8600GT SILENT/HTDP 256 of 512 MB. This one needs two slots. The heat stays out of the computer!
http://uk.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=2&l2=6&l3=514&l4=0&model=1700&modelmenu=1

3. Choose a quiet CPU Cooler like the Scythe Mugen Infinity with a Scythe PWM fan. You need a PWM fan (4 pins) instead of the standard fan (3 pins) so the Asus motherboard is able to control the fan.
http://www.scythe-usa.com/product/cpu/024/scinf1000.html

Personaly I am looking at the Asus P5K Pro motherboard. The soundcard should be the EMU 1212M. Don't buy Samsung harddisks because they could have problems with Asus motherboards. I prefer Seagate 7200.11 with 32 MB cache (5 year warranty).

Kind regards,

Marius
Next

Return to General discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests