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Sheet music from HW recordings

PostThu Jul 21, 2022 9:40 pm

Hello all¡
There exist today a computer or technological means that allows to print the corresponding sheet music from the recordings in HW?
(I have in mind the Wolfgang Seifen´s improvisations in Joerg Glebe´s home).

Thanks¡
Luis
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Re: Sheet music from HW recordings

PostFri Jul 22, 2022 8:14 am

I hope someone will prove me wrong, but alas, such technology doesn’t (yet?) exist. Basically you need a human to transcribe it. There are tools that make this easier though. I use a program for the mac called “transcribe” that will produce a piano roll of the pitches, and a program called Dorico, which is the easiest I’ve found for engraving. But you still need to sit there and listen to it over and over and write out the music, no further shortcuts I’m afraid!
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Re: Sheet music from HW recordings

PostFri Jul 22, 2022 9:10 am

I believe Steinberg's Cubase and Apple's Logic have ability to generate scores from MIDI files. I haven't tried that functionality myself, but I would imagine how successful the results would be may depend upon how quantised the MIDI files are. E.g. see:

https://musictech.com/tutorials/cubase/ ... ubase-pro/
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Re: Sheet music from HW recordings

PostFri Jul 22, 2022 9:22 am

You can try this functionality in the free program musescore: https://musescore.org/en/handbook/3/midi-import

Of course you need a MIDI recording of the improvisation to start with.

In any case, a lot of editing is needed.
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Re: Sheet music from HW recordings

PostFri Jul 22, 2022 10:00 am

A couple of thoughts.

First, I also am assuming you are talking about HW MIDI recordings. The technology for deriving sheet music from audio recordings lists - but it is not very good. I find it is much more accurate to use my own ears to do this.

Second, even if you start with a good MIDI recording, you will have LOTS of eating to do in a scoring program (like Finale or Sibelius) to make it readable.

I think the best way to do this sort of thing is ask the organist to do the transcription using their memory and a good audio recording.

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Re: Sheet music from HW recordings

PostFri Jul 22, 2022 1:28 pm

If there is not a MIDI file available, there are people who specialise in transcribing music by ear. They have to be paid of course, but depending on your musical background this might be less frustrating than trying to work out the notes yourself. In the UK I would look for such a person through the Incorporated Society of Musicians, which is our leading association for professionals. No doubt similar organisations exist also in other countries.

If you do have a MIDI file, I have found that Cakewalk by Bandlab is better at producing a sensible score than other software I’ve tried. And it’s free!

https://www.bandlab.com/products/cakewalk?lang=en
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Re: Sheet music from HW recordings

PostSat Jul 30, 2022 12:07 pm

Several years ago (2016) I purchased Sibelius in an attempt to be able to "compose" music by just sitting at my Hauptwerk and playing. Sibelius was able to transcribe my keystrokes into notes on the staff. You were able to play back what you composed, but not on Hauptwerk. Sibelius used one of its internal instruments (piano, harpsichord). I fought with it for years and gave up. It was easier to just hand write the music. My intention was to just improvise and have the sheet music appear on the screen ( which it did) but with several annoying issues.

Regrettably, Sibelius requires a huge learning curve as nothing is user friendly, and complex, cumbersome and looks nothing like traditional keyboard bass/Treble clef notation. I'm sure it is possible to get it right but I wasn't able to do it. As with most of these programs, zero help is available. You can of course find several Sibelius "experts" that will charge $125 to $200/hr just to help you work through Sibelius.

Most of Sibelius dealt with instruments that only required one staff.

One of the difficulties that I was never able to resolve, was the ability to have the written music ( as you play)divide between the Bass and Treble clef. All keyboard music without exception ( except maybe Virginal music from the 1500's) splits the Bass and Treble clef at Middle C. Not so with Sibelius. Everything ended up on the bass or treble clef. Just picture what your treble clef music would look like starting from the bottom C of the organ. Also, for some odd reason, even if you specified the time signature of the note ( i.e. whole note, half, quarter, sixteenth etc.) and you held it one nanosecond longer than a sixteenth note, it would expressitself on paper as a sixteenth note plus ten or fiftten 1/128th notes added.
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Re: Sheet music from HW recordings

PostSat Jul 30, 2022 2:32 pm

I had Sibelius. It’s actually a good program for music engraving, but all of those programs have a learning curve, and are better suited to people who have experience working with digital creation tools. I’ve given it up for Dorico though, which I think is a better app. The truth though, as Antoni discovered, is that it’s faster and easier to write it out by hand. Engraving is easier to read though, so worth the time if you want to share some music. But it’s not a shortcut.
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Re: Sheet music from HW recordings

PostSat Jul 30, 2022 8:33 pm

Hi,
I have had good luck with SmartScore 64 Pro. I have no idea what it would do with the messaging that would surely show up with presets, registration changes, and shutter expression. SmartScore can read music from a scanner and turn it int a MIDI file. As with other comments above, there is a learning curve
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Re: Sheet music from HW recordings

PostWed Aug 03, 2022 7:14 pm

I agree with Larason2 that the Sibelius music, as printed out, looked very professional but writing it out by hand was easier. It was a nightmare to figure it out, and not worth the effort ( in my opinion). But, that being said, writing it out by hand has its downside, too. If you ever thought that you could write out an extensive improvisaation from memory, then you are ahead of the game.
My intention was to sit down and play and see the notes appear on the music staff ( which it did) but the notes appeared only on one staff, usually the wrong staff.
I can't believe that separating the staffs at Middle C is not possible since keyboard music is only written that way.

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