Martin,
This is a continuation of my previous thread, except that I now understand the presenting problem (I wasn't groking that the UAC-8 is essentially a 10x10 mixer and I didn't have it set up to route inputs to outputs. When I set up Hauptwerk IV, I bumped into a working configuration by dumb luck, and now I'm trying to actually understand what I'm doing!
Hello Walt,
Do you mean that everything is working how you'd like it to be with the 'stereo' organs (e.g. Mt. Carmel):
... but not when you try to configure surround organs in the second way you describe (e.g. Minesterol)?:
Yes
Are you using a different mixer preset for the latter?
No. My goal in configuration is to be able to load a stereo organ (Mt Carmel) and have it come out "in chambers", and then hit the load button on a surround organ (Minesterol) and have it come out in surround
In your second routing, do you mean that you want all non-surround perspectives (e.g. 'organ' and 'main') to be routed to audio device outputs 5+6, except for those of the Pedal division, for which you want the non-surround perspectives to be routed to device outputs 4+7?
The sound image goal is to have the "close" sound for the manuals to come out the center channels (5+6), the "close" sound of the pedal towers to come out to the side of them (4+7), and (in Minesterol which has only one surround stereo pair of samples), the reverberant field to come out the channels that are behind the console (3+8), and the <120 Hz to come out the subwoofers (1+2). FWIW, I've set up the subwoofers as their own perspective which I mix in on a rank-by-rank basis as a sort of highly customized crossover.
Note also that on the "General settings | Audio mixer" screen, for the "Audio output device channels: Channels" setting you need to select one of the 'Stereo'-prefixed entries (not 'Mono') in order to hear any rank routed to it in stereo. For stereo output pairs, that setting only allows you to select consecutive logical channel numbers, but you can remap logical-to-physical device channel numbers if needed as discussed on your previous topic:
I got the logical remapping bit--that's what made most of the penny drop, thanks! On the "Audio Device and Channels" what I see are 20 [mono] device channels that I can reorder and rename, but this is for all organs/presets/perspectives, right?
I have reorganized these as
1 (sub left)
2 (sub right)
3 (left pair left)
4 (left pair right)
5 (center pair left)
6 (center pair right)
7 (right pair left)
8 (right pair right)
9 (mid pair left---this is the same physical output as # 4)
10 (mid pair right -- #7)
11 (hall pair left -- #3)
12 (hall pair right -- #8)
I'm pretty sure that I got this one to work (I've been moving things about trying to build a mental model), by configuring the UAC-8 mixer to route:
1+2 -> UAC 1+2 (subs)
3+4 -> UAC 3+4 (choir)
11 panned L -> (left channel choir) [hall L]
9 panned R -> (right channel choir) [mid L]
5+6 -> UAC 5+6 (great/center)
7+8 -> UAC 7+8 (swell)
10 panned L -> (left channel swell) [mid R]
12 panned R -> (right channel swell) [hall R]
And at this point, I seem to have lost the "C" side of the chests, and it even seems that I may be down to every third or fourth note on some ranks.
In trying to write this out, I've come up with another potential way to get this, but I'm not sure it isn't just one of the variations that didn't work before.
Here's my mental model of the Menesterol 8' Montre:
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---- distance mic --- left channel rear ---\
/ \
C side of the chests / --- left channel close \ \
+---- close pair out +------rear pair out
C# side of the chest \ -- right channel close / /
\ /
---- distance mic --- right channel rear ---/
From that mental picture, it would seem that there would be a spot to feed the (mono) left channel close to the left channel of one of the stereo pairs on the UAC mixer, but I don't seem to be able to find that spot. In my set up, it's behaving like the left channel (produced by panning the channel in the Audio Mixer dialog to -100) doesn't want to be plugged into a right channel -- or something like that?
My inclination would be then to keep one mixer preset configured solely for your existing routing, and keep the relevant organs (e.g. Mount Carmel) set to use that preset, and then configure a different mixer preset (mixer buses and groups) for your new routing, so that you could simply point those other organs to that preset. That avoids any confusion that might arise by trying to do everything within a single mixer preset.
Thanks. I think I just realized that the mixer preset is tied to the organ, rather than independent. That will probably make things easier.
(As an aside, you may find configuring multiple audio routings/presets clearer and more convenient in Hauptwerk v7 than it was in v6, especially since in v7 the buses and groups are organised within expandable nodes for their mixer presets.)
I wouldn't be surprised. I'll put it on my Christmas list.
Thanks so much for your help. It feels really close.
Walt