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Hauptwerk on 30 yr+ Rodgers organ

PostMon Sep 27, 2021 1:53 pm

I'm trying to upgrade our church's Rodgers organ with Hauptwerk. I can't find the Rodgers model number, but it has a midi interface and 3 console buttons labeled Midi to Ped, Midi to Gt and Midi to Sw.

I'm running a Dell laptop with 8 GB RAM and an Intel i8 processor. My free license has currently expired, but while it was active, I was able to connect the computer to the midi interface under the keyboards (out to in and in to out), and get a red light on the midi cable. When I try to right-click on the keyboard in Hauptwerk, say the Great, and then play the lowest and highest notes on said keyboard, I get nothing back to my laptop. The Done button remains disabled and I can't go any further.

I don't know if the problem is on my Hauptwerk installation (on the laptop), the midi cable, or how things are set up in the organ. I'm guessing the organ is around 30 years old. I would really appreciate any suggestions on how to get this working.
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Re: Hauptwerk on 30 yr+ Rodgers organ

PostMon Sep 27, 2021 2:59 pm

Various electronic organ MFGS have their own implementation of MIDI.

Hauptwerk has some Rodgers specific selections that can be implemented which may solve your problem.

Rather than Auto-Detecting the keyboards go into the Adjust MIDI/trigger settings manually for keyboard:. You should be able to find Rodgers and other MFG specific selections in one of the pop-up menus therein.
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Re: Hauptwerk on 30 yr+ Rodgers organ

PostMon Sep 27, 2021 3:00 pm

Can you post a photo of the organ? I can likely identify it form a photo and locate an owners' manual.

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Re: Hauptwerk on 30 yr+ Rodgers organ

PostMon Sep 27, 2021 3:21 pm

ldeutsch wrote:Can you post a photo of the organ? I can likely identify it form a photo and locate an owners' manual.

Les


I'm not sure how to populate the [img] tag with files from my computer? I know how to do <img src=...> but this seems to be different. Can you give me an example?

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Re: Hauptwerk on 30 yr+ Rodgers organ

PostMon Sep 27, 2021 5:34 pm

Assume the 2 cables are connected to the laptop hy means of a MIDI interface? You can use Midi-Ox o observe any MIDI messages. The software has not been updated for quite awhile, but still works with Win 10.

https://www.sweetwater.com/sweetcare/articles/how-do-i-install-and-use-midi-ox-for-windows/

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Re: Hauptwerk on 30 yr+ Rodgers organ

PostMon Sep 27, 2021 7:13 pm

Your organ appears to be a Rodgers Essex 645. MIDI was an option on that model, but it appears you have it. I don't have an owner's manual for the 645 so I cannot verify which version of Rodgers MIDI implementation it has.

HW should be able to auto-detect your keyboards and stops. In order to use pistons, you sometimes need to set a switch on the Rodgers - but without the manual I cannot tell you how.

I suggest using a MIDI listening program on your computer to do some tests. I use MIDI Monitor on my Mac, but there are similar programs for Windows machines. Hook your computer to the organ using the organ's MIDI Out jack. Then play some notes. You should see responses on there MIDI monitoring program. Now try a stop. Most likely, you will see a "MIDI Exclusive Message" excuse this is how most Rodgers communicate stop changes. If these tests work, you should have no problem using HW with the organ.

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Re: Hauptwerk on 30 yr+ Rodgers organ

PostMon Sep 27, 2021 8:47 pm

When I try to right-click on the keyboard in Hauptwerk, say the Great, and then play the lowest and highest notes on said keyboard, I get nothing back to my laptop.


A few things.

1- I guess that you are using a MIDI to USB cable. Depending on the model/brand and your version of Windows you may need to install a driver.

2- Also, some some of those cable are "weirdly labelled". Many are labelled "IN" (meaning that the OUT of the organ connects to this "IN" of the cable, the "OUT" of the cable connects into the "IN" of the organ. Also, to avoid a MIDI loop, try to connect for now your cable "IN" only to the console MIDI OUT. Then continue to step 3 & 4. If after 4 it still doesn't work, disconnect your MIDI cable IN, and try to connect the OUT to your console OUT.

3- Make sure that MIDI to GT is ON/Set on your console.

4- In Hauptwerk go to General settings | Midi Ports and in the MIDI IN tab you should see at least 2 columns, one labelled Hauptwerk VSTLink and another one (name will vary but it should be your MIDI to USB cable). If you don't see that, then Windows and Hauptwerk don't "see" your MIDI cable (in that case, check the manufacturer' website to find the driver needed and insall it). If you have a second entry, it will quite possibly be your MIDI cable. Then make sure that the box at the intersection of CONSOLE MIDI IN 1 line and your MIDI cable column is ticked. Then click ok and try to auto-detect.

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Re: Hauptwerk on 30 yr+ Rodgers organ

PostFri Oct 01, 2021 12:03 pm

ldeutsch wrote:HW should be able to auto-detect your keyboards and stops. In order to use pistons, you sometimes need to set a switch on the Rodgers - but without the manual I cannot tell you how.


Les,

I have a 25 year old Rodgers 602 at my church I have been using for 2 years now, and didn't realize you could use the pistons /stops. Just checked today and the stops are easily detected, but when I tried to do one of the pistons (there are only 10 and with an M2 we had another set of 10) I got a message that the floating division was also on that Piston when I tried to set it, and did I want to keep both or just the piston. I stopped because I need the floating divisions as it is a two manual, and using the Hereford 4 manual set on it. But if I could use the pistons and possibly set up the stepper to work from that, it would make life much easier.

My questions is, if I keep both, will that screw up the floating divisions I have set?? or will the piston and the floating divisions work simultaneously? I don't se a switch like you referenced, and the manual is confusing the heck out of me. Any help would be great.

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Re: Hauptwerk on 30 yr+ Rodgers organ

PostFri Oct 01, 2021 12:30 pm

Keeping both will let you use both simultaneously with that piston..

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Re: Hauptwerk on 30 yr+ Rodgers organ

PostFri Oct 01, 2021 1:19 pm

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Re: Hauptwerk on 30 yr+ Rodgers organ

PostFri Oct 01, 2021 1:34 pm

engrssc wrote:Keeping both will let you use both simultaneously with that piston..


I have 4 floating division buttons on a launchpad next to the manuals, so if I set all 10 pistons and say keep both. When I use the piston for registrations, it won't affect the setup of the floating divisions? and when I am not using any of those 10 pistons, the floating divisions will be covered by the launchpad buttons, correct?

Ideally I would like to use some of the pistons in conjunction with the stepper as I could then preprogram all of my changes for all the pieces, and after cued up, just hit the pistons to move to the next registration. Hoping that is feasible.

Scott

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