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A comparable HW organ to this Dutch one?

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A comparable HW organ to this Dutch one?

PostTue Mar 08, 2022 4:12 pm

I came across this amazing sound from a “Very” Dutch organ that I found out is not compatible with our HW.

Can any of you recommend a HW Dutch organ with this “very Dutch sound” to it that is indeed compatible with our HW system??? I have Kampen and was seeing what I could come up with but wasn’t even close.

Here’s the sample recording from Contrebombarde:

https://www.contrebombarde.com/concerthall/music/50988

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Re: A comparable HW organ to this Dutch one?

PostTue Mar 08, 2022 6:09 pm

There are a lot of Dutch organs for HW, from several centuries, and they all sound "Dutch". Here are some examples:

https://www.sonusparadisi.cz/en/organs/netherlands.html

https://voxusorgans.com/en

https://hauptwerkshop.com/software/haup ... s/sygsoft/

You might look at the ones originally built in the 19th century as a starting point since this one was 1866 and you like it. You can listen to many of them on Contrebombarde, and some have demo or trial versions. There are also others besides the 3 above.

To get the exaggerated wind sag in that recording, you can increase wind parameters in HW on some of them that have a sufficiently low wind supply. Others just don't have that issue.
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Re: A comparable HW organ to this Dutch one?

PostTue Mar 08, 2022 6:42 pm

There are a few more at http://www.pcorgan.com/SampleSetsEN.html
although that site's list hasn't been updated in 2 years. Press "Na." to sort by country and look for NL.
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Re: A comparable HW organ to this Dutch one?

PostTue Mar 08, 2022 10:44 pm

If you want a Dutch Romantic sound, take a look at the Ibach organ from Bergen Op Zoom. I've only listened to the demo stops, but I think it's gorgeous.

Personally, I don't like what I hear regarding the wind model in the link you posted above. The notes seem to me to really swoop up and screech in the fast passages. Romantic organ builders considered any instability of wind to be bad, so you would never hear that on a real romantic organ. Even by Baroque standards, in my opinion the wind model is way out of alignment. Baroque organs had limited wind supply, but on a real organ that's properly winded, it never sounds forced or screechy. That organ sounds like it's on a very high pressure with very limited wind volume, i.e. in need of serious repairs.
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Re: A comparable HW organ to this Dutch one?

PostWed Mar 09, 2022 12:10 am

Ya, but it sounds so Dutch Classic to me… and thats the sound I really like.

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Re: A comparable HW organ to this Dutch one?

PostWed Mar 09, 2022 4:43 am

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Re: A comparable HW organ to this Dutch one?

PostWed Mar 09, 2022 6:03 am

That’s fair enough, different strokes I guess! You could get the Ibach organ, and get someone who makes custom organs to modify the wind model so it resembles this. That’s probably the closest you’ll get on HW!
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Re: A comparable HW organ to this Dutch one?

PostMon Apr 04, 2022 12:07 pm

Bergen op Zoom' Ibach is decidedly not a Dutch organ, not even close; it's very German.
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Re: A comparable HW organ to this Dutch one?

PostMon Apr 04, 2022 2:05 pm

You might consider the Vermeulen organ in Raszczyce. It is one of the free offerings from Piotr Grabowski. It is a little smaller and from a later period, but it does have a characteristic Dutch sound. It was originally in Almelo.
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Re: A comparable HW organ to this Dutch one?

PostMon Apr 04, 2022 2:54 pm

The Vierdag organ in Dreischor is also a beautiful instrument and Dutch.
You can find it on this forum at: https://hauptwerk-augustine.info/Dreischor.php
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Re: A comparable HW organ to this Dutch one?

PostTue Apr 05, 2022 3:08 am

You can also have a look at Sygsof-NL; especially Medemblick, the last one
https://www.hauptwerk.nl/medembliken.php
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Re: A comparable HW organ to this Dutch one?

PostTue Apr 05, 2022 5:54 am

Hardly any of the mentioned sample sets is in the same style as the Flaes/Brunjes organ. Maybe the Bätz from Zeist (https://www.hauptwerk.nl/batzzeisten.php) comes quite close but I don't have experience with that sample set.

By the way, a good wind model is possible in Hauptwerk but I think many sample set producers take a shortcut here, at great cost to the realism and liveliness of their sample sets.

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