Uninstalling sample sets

[Antoni Scott]

I would like to free up some space on my hard drive by removing some sample sets that I never use. When the File dropdown menu option "Uninstall organ or temperament" is opened, not only does the organ that I wish to remove show but also the data for the same organ. Do I remove the organ and also the data or just the organ ? The drop down menu does not have a Uninstall data option as well as the Organ, just the organ or temperament. What are the steps that must be taken to remove the organ entirely and not affect other organs or other information ?

The reason I ask is that I removed an organ I wanted to remove and an additional question popped up that sounded like I should also remove some additional data associated with that organ. I accepted that question and it resulted in permanently affecting a different organ that I couldn't open up.

[mnailor]

In Uninstall, you do need to remove both the organ and its data packages to free up all the space used by that sampleset.

Uninstalling the organ removes the organ definition (ODF), and the cached samples from internal working files. Uninstalling the data packages removes the sampleset and components other than the ODF.

The prompt after uninstalling the organ is asking if you want to delete your user settings for the organ or keep them in case you install it again some day. Your choice. That only affects another organ if it shares the same organ id. For example, there might have been two versions of the same sampleset like an original and extended version using the same settings.

It's also possible that some of the data packages are in use by another sampleset that is a composite or extension, so removing the data packages could disable that other organ until you reinstall its prerequisites. If you have any composites or extensions, their documentation will tell you what data packages they rely on.

[Antoni Scott]

Thankyou Mnailor. Your knowledge and willingness to be helpful is indeed an asset to the Hauptwerk users that are not as knowledgeable as is required. It is interesting that you stated that both the organ and its data packages have to be uninstalled, not just the organ. Unless I missed it in the user manual, I did not read that it mentioned that BOTH the organ and the data must be removed. It resulted in a fatal error.
I think my issue was that after uninstalling the ORGAN I may have also uninstalled other user settings based on additional prompts. This resulted in an organ that I did not wish to be uninstalled or affected to be permanently unusable.




In Uninstall, you do need to remove both the organ and its data packages to free up all the space used by that sampleset.

Uninstalling the organ removes the organ definition (ODF), and the cached samples from internal working files. Uninstalling the data packages removes the sampleset and components other than the ODF.

The prompt after uninstalling the organ is asking if you want to delete your user settings for the organ or keep them in case you install it again some day. Your choice. That only affects another organ if it shares the same organ id. For example, there might have been two versions of the same sampleset like an original and extended version using the same settings.

It's also possible that some of the data packages are in use by another sampleset that is a composite or extension, so removing the data packages could disable that other organ until you reinstall its prerequisites. If you have any composites or extensions, their documentation will tell you what data packages they rely on.

[mdyde]

Hello Antoni,

What Mark wrote is exactly correct (thanks as always, Mark).

It is interesting that you stated that both the organ and its data packages have to be uninstalled, not just the organ. Unless I missed it in the user manual, I did not read that it mentioned that BOTH the organ and the data must be removed.

The various types of components (organs, vs. data, etc.) are covered in the "Installing/uninstalling/upgrading organs, temperaments, or reverbs (the component installer)" section (on page 250 in the v7.0 version of the user guide -- if I recall you're using v7).

It resulted in a fatal error.
I think my issue was that after uninstalling the ORGAN I may have also uninstalled other user settings based on additional prompts. This resulted in an organ that I did not wish to be uninstalled or affected to be permanently unusable.

After uninstalling an organ (=organ definition), Hauptwerk will show you this prompt:

"One or more organ definitions were removed. Would you like Hauptwerk to delete the settings and combination sets for those organs?"

If you say 'yes' to that prompt, it will remove settings and combinations for that particular organ (organ ID). That won't, in itself, uninstall or break any other organ, but (as Mark mentioned) if another organ uses the same organ ID (typically another edition of the same sample set/organ) then its settings and combinations would be shared with the organ you uninstalled, so its settings and combinations would inherently be removed too and you would need to configure them again (auto-detect its MIDI settings, etc.).

[mnailor]

"I think my issue was that after uninstalling the ORGAN I may have also uninstalled other user settings based on additional prompts. This resulted in an organ that I did not wish to be uninstalled or affected to be permanently unusable."

Can you say which organ you uninstalled and said Yes to deleting settings/combinations for, and then which organ was rendered permanently unusable? What fatal error message did you get? Thanks.

Also, no organ can be made permanently unusable. You can always uninstall and reinstall the affected organ, if restoring your last backup doesn't fix the problem. Did you restore from a backup?

[Antoni Scott]

Hello Mnailor:
Frankly, and this is usually the case, at this point I am not sure what I did, but what I do know and is indisputable, is that I thought I was following the Hauptwerk prompts which resulted in me not being able to open up that organ.
Luckily, I have all the data of that particular hard drive backed up onto an external hard drive. I tried to download the data only to get messages that I do not understand.

At this point I have another backed up hard drive from a few years ago (I guess my paranoia paid off) that has the
organs on it, but no Hauptwerk software or OSX system on it. I have a spare hard drive that has the OSX on it and Hauptwerk on it.

How do I delete or uninstall or basically get rid off all of the sample sets on this spare hard drive and install the sample sets from my back-up hard drive onto to this drive without creating some issues ? Is that even possible ?

[Antoni Scott]

Hello Martin:
The reason I did not include you in this exchange is that you informed me that Version 4.2 is no longer supported.
But what I wanted to know was how do I permanently remove all of the sample sets from a hard drive, retain the Hauptwerk 4.2 operating system and install sample sets from an external hard drive ?

I would like to install the sample sets from the external hard drive that was created prior to the Version VII migration. I have a second license and dongle with a second computer that I use in a different location. I was hoping to install all of this data onto a separate hard drive but i discovered that my Hauptwerk 4.2 disc is corrupted or requires some JAVA or whatever to load it onto the new hard drive.

My choice was to take one of my many back up hard drives with Version 4.2 and OSX 10.10 3 and uninstall all of the organs on this hard drive (many are demos and junk organs) and install the sample sets from the back up hard drive that was created for the Version VII migration. At least this back up hard drive has all the working sample sets I wanted. Is this possible ?

[Antoni Scott]

I guess I am asking why the drop down menu only gives an option to Uninstall an organ when it is also required that the Data associated with that organ be also uninstalled.

[mnailor]

Hello Mnailor:
Frankly, and this is usually the case, at this point I am not sure what I did, but what I do know and is indisputable, is that I thought I was following the Hauptwerk prompts which resulted in me not being able to open up that organ.
Luckily, I have all the data of that particular hard drive backed up onto an external hard drive. I tried to download the data only to get messages that I do not understand.

At this point I have another backed up hard drive from a few years ago (I guess my paranoia paid off) that has the
organs on it, but no Hauptwerk software or OSX system on it. I have a spare hard drive that has the OSX on it and Hauptwerk on it.

How do I delete or uninstall or basically get rid off all of the sample sets on this spare hard drive and install the sample sets from my back-up hard drive onto to this drive without creating some issues ? Is that even possible ?

When you aren't able to answer my questions about what happened, I'm not willing to give more advice about what seems to be a tangled situation that I don't understand. Sorry, but I can't help you with this. (I also don't do PMs, which is why I didn't respond.)

[mnailor]

I guess I am asking why the drop down menu only gives an option to Uninstall an organ when it is also required that the Data associated with that organ be also uninstalled.

File | Uninstall is used for everything that File | Install can install. There are reasons to be able to uninstall just an organ definition while leaving the data packages installed. For example, some samplesets install multiple organ versions, and I uninstall the ones I don't want. You just need to know that a sampleset includes separate things: data packages and organ definitions. They are uninstalled separately.